Jump to content
SAU Community

Par Gearset/dog Engagement

NYTSKY
 Share

Recommended Posts

NYTSKY Grand Master

NYTSKY

Posted
Posted

Hi all,

Having pretty much destroyed my gearbox, im in the market for a strong replacement.

We all know OS gearsets are good for the money but im leaning towards a DOG engagement gearbox.

With PPG the leader in the market for these there is another option with PAR.

Just wondering is there anyone out there who has one of PARs gearsets with dog engagement?

Comments?

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/275779-par-gearsetdog-engagement/
Share on other sites
Duncan Grand Master

Duncan

Posted
Posted

Don't think its been used yet, but Anna just bought a par dog box for her 33, and Mark and I are going to go that way for the 32 (straight cut as well).

There was a thread recently discussing some opinions, Brad in particular has used a wide range of them including par, ppg and holinger

NYTSKY Grand Master

NYTSKY

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Ive chosen to go with a PPG Helical 1st-4th DOG (Syncho 5th)

Now all i need is to find someone that sells them at a decent price.

Anyone have any suggestions or know someone who has an account with a supplier that could do me a good deal?

Risking Grand Master

Risking

Posted
Posted (edited)

Dont buy a helical PPG box. You will break it.

Straight cut or nothing when it comes to dog engagements.

Been there done that with pretty much all of them. PPG is far better than most though

The ONLY one id now recommend is the H pattern Hollinger which is what I suspect is in my car now but not certain. Buy the H6S its pretty much the same box as my H6S-SEQ but a H pattern

You'll need a bellhouse ing its the only bomb proof box I would trust. I know of some second hands ones coming up for sale if your interested. Pretty well priced too.

Edited by Risking
Swiper the Fox Grand Master

Swiper the Fox

Posted
Posted
Dont buy a helical PPG box. You will break it.

Straight cut or nothing when it comes to dog engagements.

Been there done that with pretty much all of them. PPG is far better than most though

The ONLY one id now recommend is the H pattern Hollinger which is what I suspect is in my car now but not certain. Buy the H6S its pretty much the same box as my H6S-SEQ but a H pattern

You'll need a bellhouse ing its the only bomb proof box I would trust. I know of some second hands ones coming up for sale if your interested. Pretty well priced too.

We have a PPG helical dog in our street/circuit GTR and its a bit of a bitch on the street...very clunky and you really have to smash it into gear. We have not had any problems with it though and its done about 12000klms, been thrashed a fair bit and done Superlap. The straight cut in the drag car is so much nicer to shift and can be upshifted effortlessly using only 2 fingers. The whine in 5th is annoying though and makes highway cruising in Twoogle a bit unpleasant.

NYTSKY Grand Master

NYTSKY

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Hmm interesting.

With the amount of punishment my standard box has taken i cant believe the gear teeth are still attached.

1st,2nd and even 3rd gear launches and still no breakage (excluding syncros)

Which is why im thinking the PPG helical cut "has" to be far far stronger.

The noise of a straight cut would get on my nerves after a while especially on cruises.

Brad, the gearsets that you might have for sale, are they all needing a new bellhousing?

Swiper the Fox Grand Master

Swiper the Fox

Posted
Posted
Hmm interesting.

With the amount of punishment my standard box has taken i cant believe the gear teeth are still attached.

1st,2nd and even 3rd gear launches and still no breakage (excluding syncros)

Which is why im thinking the PPG helical cut "has" to be far far stronger.

The noise of a straight cut would get on my nerves after a while especially on cruises.

Brad, the gearsets that you might have for sale, are they all needing a new bellhousing?

I think if Brad cannot come up with something Dave the PPG helical would be the best option then. The straight cut is a fairly noisy box, where as the helical is much quieter but harsher to shift. Come up and have a drive of the car if you like to see what you think.

Risking Grand Master

Risking

Posted
Posted

I can come up with the hollingers within a decent time frame. Its a matter of the people I can buy them from getting them as well.

They are ex super car boxes which have been serviced and rebuilt. Ill ask whats available.

But yes it would need a bell housing attatched and a tail shaft made up.

Im not a fan of helical gears. They have pros and cons and im a performance situation there is a reason most good things are straight cut. But your right the noise does drive you insane.

The hollinger would work out more expensive than a PPG though. If your interested ill ask the question

  • 3 months later...
PJ. Proficient

PJ.

Posted
Posted (edited)

I have a couple of friends running the PPG helical dog's in their GT-R's, both of which make just over 800hp and they have not smashed them. They have not done mega km's but when they come out they get absolutely punished. Launched every time, 3rd gear burnouts.

Looking at my OS Giken and PPG gear sets side by side and going off the tooth profile, if TWO-06L didn't smash his OS Box, and you haven't smashed your standard one, then there is NO WAY that you'll smash a PPG Helical cut unless it falls off the delivery truck!

Edited by PJ.
Swiper the Fox Grand Master

Swiper the Fox

Posted
Posted
I have a couple of friends running the PPG helical dog's in their GT-R's, both of which make just over 800hp and they have not smashed them. They have not done mega km's but when they come out they get absolutely punished. Launched every time, 3rd gear burnouts.

Looking at my OS Giken and PPG gear sets side by side and going off the tooth profile, if TWO-06L didn't smash his OS Box, and you haven't smashed your standard one, then there is NO WAY that you'll smash a PPG Helical cut unless it falls off the delivery truck!

Dave drives the street/circuit car like a demon...with over 600hp at all 4...still going strong.

timsr33 Community Regular

timsr33

Posted
Posted

### gear sets are strong as but there head mechanic is a absolute #### head and thinks he noes every thing and miss alines the the shafts so your box will jump gear and wont take responsability but the owner is really nice just has to much faith in his head mechanic its a pity really if it wasnt for me haveing to get my gear box rebuilt 3 times by ### witch still couldnt get it right then i had to take to to another gear box builder who got it spot on first time

ive been so temped to take ### to the accc but i dont want the head aiche and ide be happy to mention there name but i no your not a loud to bad mouth companies on forums all i can say is be careful dealing with par

thanks tim

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • RP1421
      S15 Spec R

      By RP1421 · Posted

      A few small updates since the previous post and lessons. I decided to do a little interior light upgrade on the 110. I quite like the iilumo items, even if they're a bit of a premium over other brands. You'll also note the Stedi Fogs, that will go into the S15 fog lights as I needed to match the bulbs since I got the new ones earlier. I hope they fit as the body is quite a bit longer than your normal bulb.  Annoyingly, I managed to trip the fuse, which normally wouldn't be an issue until I located the fuse. I can't say I've ever come across this. I had lucked out that someone nearby had a spare, but oddly enough Toyota dealerships seem to keep this in stock. I ordered some to keep in my stash and as luck would have it, someone else nearby tripped the same fuse so I passed on the favour.  I also did a little service on the 110 ahead of some additional work coming up. It's been annoying that Goleby's stopped carrying this particular HKS filter for the 110, so now I need to keep them on order from Japan. I also took the opportunity to install a bash plate and number plate riser. The plate riser is such a cheap but nice fix to help really tidy up the car. I'm tempted to now also replace my headlights, on this car. Both items were from Project Aero.    I also needed to replace the rear tyres on the 110, and after trying to get it aligned learnt that I need to replace some bushes in the front end, so that's next.  Closing out this update with a nicer picture as always! 
    • Murray_Calavera
      WTAC 2025

      By Murray_Calavera · Posted

      Yeah mate, never miss it.
    • Ozdavroz
      WTAC 2025

      By Ozdavroz · Posted

      Any going to watch World Time Attack at SMSP this year?
    • Jarsky
      R33 Fuel Pump & Brakes after alarm swap

      By Jarsky · Posted

      Appreciate the correction on the "ground", that will make a huge difference to looking at this. That makes complete sense about AF70/AF71 which is what I had come down to being the issue, one of these. I'll have another look in the ignition wiring when I get a chance next week. I'll also make up a jumper wire for running that AF73 test.  ECU is fine, relay itself is fine, pump harness is fine and the pump itself is fine. I am going to upgrade the Walbro 255 anyway with a DW300 I have since I need to replace the fuel sender and I'm going to upgrade the FPR with my chasebays kit ready for new plenum/injectors/dbw, but I'll get this working first. That's why this is so frustrating. 
    • zillah
      Recommendation for engine oil funnel spill free

      By zillah · Posted

      hahaha good on
×
×
  • Create New...