nissans should be aloud to race with the holdens and the ford

[GunMetalR33]

nothing in the Fords and Holdens are from the production cars. As said before, purpose built 5.0 V8's. The funny thing is, is that the Holden is running a Ford wishbone suspension what a surprise, Holden taking someone else's parts.

The reason holdens are running fords wishbone suspention is too slow the holdens down. Holden teams are not doing this by choice, its forced apon them. To me that spells weak compatition... Apart from that, it is good to watch when its raining hard :-}

[Abo Bob]

If I am correct, the Bathurst 24hr is for production cars, therefore HRT427(the 600hp monaro) would have had 49 replicas sitting in a warehouse somewhere ready for sale(50 being the magic number to qualify as a production run) hence being able to compete in the production class. In order to have a Skyline compete(with 600 hp) against HRT427 in this years race, someone would have to build fifty 600hp Skylines.........I think they also have to be current production, therefore r34's dont qualify.

Feel free to prove me wrong, this is just the way i see it

I don't know what the rules are but I read that HRT made only 2 of those 427's with a view to building them for general consumption but when they did their figures the cars would have cost $200k and no matter how much you love holdens you're not going to spend that much money on one.

Maybe they did the dodgy and said they were "going to" build at least 50 cars...

[Laurence]

The HRT427 was never a homologation special of the Monaro CV8R or whatever that thing is called and if the GT500 GT-R is more closely related to the road going GT-R it is based on than the Monaro vs. the Monaro racecar then I am a monkey's uncle. Just look at it!

[Bax]

If they were rear wheel drive I'd let them race. As long as the power figures were roughly the same.

[Intensevil]

sigh, the monaro 427 is completely legitimate. It just has a stroked and bored stock engine, it is not the supercar that holden were planning on making, just a regular monaro with a massiver engine in it. Oddly enough the only thing in that car that is from a monaro is the shell. The race was clearly in favour of the monaros though, the rx7s had to run less than stock boost yet the monaros were able to increase their engine displacement to 7 ltres... bs fair competition

[Abo Bob]

They got 77 cubic inches by boring and stroking the 350 chev?!?!?!?!?!

Anything with a turbo should be able to run whatever boost they like. Maybe they'll start whacking turbos on the v8's then. They're gonna have to start using overhead cams if they do, and maybe a few more valves too.

[rev210]

the 427 chev is a big block engine, not a stroked 5.7.

[Duncan]

and procar were very clear that nations cup is "GT Racing" not production car. There is 0 requirement for road going versions of the cars.

Which is kinda handy for holden, as usual

[GTRgeoff]

the ultimate bogan mobile was given special dispensation to represent Aus in the Nations Cup (kinda based on who's the best country) but even the R33 GTS25t has to race in nations cup class, and not GTP where it would nicely match the V8's and AWD cars.

[Guest INASNT]

The simple reason y the HRT 427 aka CV8 monaro raced in the 24hr even tho we all knew it was crap was because holden reps know how to suck good dick!

[V8skylineMAN]

sigh, the monaro 427 is completely legitimate. It just has a stroked and bored stock engine,

350 bored and stroked to 427? pfft whatever mate....a 427 is a big block...350 is a small block....very hard if not impossible to bore/stroke a 350 to 427....

it is not the supercar that holden were planning on making, just a regular monaro with a massiver engine in it.

It is entirely a V8 Supercar, except for the fact that it has the big block.....

Oddly enough the only thing in that car that is from a monaro is the shell.

True....

[Laurence]

http://www.ls1speed.com/engine12.cfm

Search on Google, there are 100 places in America that can build you a nice 427ci LS1 from off the shelf Chev bits and I know this may be difficult to understand, but a small block engine is a small block engine no matter how big you stroke it... It isn't a big block, unless it is a big block.

[V8skylineMAN]

http://www.ls1speed.com/engine12.cfm

Search on Google, there are 100 places in America that can build you a nice 427ci LS1 from off the shelf Chev bits and I know this may be difficult to understand, but a small block engine is a small block engine no matter how big you stroke it... It isn't a big block, unless it is a big block.

was not aware you could take a 350 that far....largest ive seen was just under 400...(390 summin) wonder how much of the block is left after going that far with one?

[Laurence]

It is alloy so it is resleeved and it is stroked to within an inch of its life.

Imagine a RB32DETT

But there is lots of legit things to criticise about the Monaro, personally I don't care too much about the tech spec, I like high tech super modified race cars. I don't like it when they run around with no competition, doesn't matter if it is a Monaro or a GT-R. It just gets boring. They need to get serious and penalise the Monaro to make it a fair competition.

[V8skylineMAN]

Lol , the block must nearly be transparent......watch the crank spinning!

[nmcmahon83]

Most of the Holden teams are happy enough to run the ford Double Wishbone suspension as it gives them more tunability than the holden single wishbone. It's not designed to make anyone slower or faster, just to even things up... Basically they are just falcadore shells with pure race machinery underneath anyway.

Some people are comparing bananas with apples here... Some people are talking about Nations cup, others GTP and some are getting that confused with V8SC. They are 3 different formulas, GTP being the closet to road going formula, Nations cup full of exotic supercars, and V8 supercar a pure racing category.

Most of the japanese sports cars run in GTP class A, STi, Evo, etc... S15 runs class B i think with the 350Z (not 100% though) so yea...

[Nismo32]

He he he, i just watched the 86-92 bathurst turbulent years DVD. Very cool stuff. The R32s gave them a good old spanking in 91 and 92 (The seriously wet one). The days of the GTS-R were pretty much ruled by the sierras. They were dam quick. I think holden won 2 out of the 6 races in that perriod, id have to watch it again to confirm though. Good DVD though. Some very sweet in-car shots.

Cheers

[GTRgeoff]

And where in there would you suggest a rwd or awd with the capacity of around 2.5l plus turbo? Certainly not in nations cup with a boost limit when the monaro gets open slather.

I think this is all starting to get to the crux of the issue, the corrupt attitude and actions of Cretins Against Motor Sport (CAMS) who allow this stuff to happen even though they are Aus motorsport "governing body". They've been P***ing me off for almost 20 years, ever since they scrapped group G rally.

[ylwgtr2]

1st to whoever said jgtc 34 GTR isnt rb26 you are wrong....and wait for it......its 2WD

[Adam_RSX]

The GTS-R never won Bathurst outright, and it wasnt a local model, it was a Japanese Grp A homologation model

The DR30's came second and third one year (86 or 87)