Manual Vs Auto Rear Coilover Length

[Hanso]

I have my Tein CS coilovers and I know they are meant for an auto Stagea, whereas mine is manual.

My question I have is whether the auto rear coilover is the same length as a manual coilover? The guy I spoke to today at Fulcrum at Stafford tells me that the auto coilovers are shorter than the manual coilovers. Is this true?

Thanking you gurus in advance!!

Cheers,

Adam

[chuckie]

I have my Tein CS coilovers and I know they are meant for an auto Stagea, whereas mine is manual.

My question I have is whether the auto rear coilover is the same length as a manual coilover? The guy I spoke to today at Fulcrum at Stafford tells me that the auto coilovers are shorter than the manual coilovers. Is this true?

Thanking you gurus in advance!!

Cheers,

Adam

Hi Adam what is the lenght of your shockies.put lenght`s up ,i have set so i will give you size ,REAR 735 mm centre of Eye to Top of Plate ok ,

Cheer`s Chuckie.

Edited April 12, 2010 by chuckie

[wolverine]

RS4S has a fork bottom not an eyelet on the rear just in case you aren't aware.

[Hanso]

Hi Adam what is the lenght of your shockies.put lenght`s up ,i have set so i will give you size ,REAR 735 mm centre of Eye to Top of Plate ok ,

Cheer`s Chuckie.

Cheers mate. I'll let you know what mine are this arvo.

[lachlanw]

rears will not work

these will http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/C...n-281448446.htm

[Hanso]

Length of my rear coilovers are 685mm, the guy at Fulcrum was right.

Looks like either I pay $700 to get mine modified, which I'm not too sure about.

Or I sell the ones I have and buy the right type for my Stagea.

[Hanso]

rears will not work

these will http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/C...n-281448446.htm

That would have been great, if only I saw them a week ago lol.

[Oki34]

Couldn't you just put R33 rear spindles on and they'd bolt right up? Seems like a very inexpensive alternative. You'd lose the aluminum spindles for cast iron, but for 700 minus whatever the R33 spindles cost I'd say it's worth it.

[QWK32]

wouldn't it be pointless trying to compare lengths of adjustable coilovers, i mean they could be adjusted to any length on the thread. i thought the only difference between the auto and manual rears was as wolverine said, eyelet style mounting for the auto, and fork style for the manual.

[Hanso]

Couldn't you just put R33 rear spindles on and they'd bolt right up? Seems like a very inexpensive alternative. You'd lose the aluminum spindles for cast iron, but for 700 minus whatever the R33 spindles cost I'd say it's worth it.

If I could find the R33 GTR rear spindles to suit my coilovers, no problem. But that could be easier said than done. I haven't seen too many Tein CS coilovers getting around.

wouldn't it be pointless trying to compare lengths of adjustable coilovers, i mean they could be adjusted to any length on the thread. i thought the only difference between the auto and manual rears was as wolverine said, eyelet style mounting for the auto, and fork style for the manual.

I have compared the manual to the auto coilovers and the Tein's I have are definitely shorter. I thought it was just the eyelet or fork at the bottom that was the difference. However with further research, I found out that Fulcrum were correct. As they are the Australian distributors, I'd hope they know what they are talking about.

[Oki34]

If I could find the R33 GTR rear spindles to suit my coilovers, no problem. But that could be easier said than done. I haven't seen too many Tein CS coilovers getting around.

The GT-R spindles would be the same as what you've got. You need the regular ones. Any model with HICAS.

[Hanso]

Still doesn't solve the problem of the rear coilovers being too short.

I may see if someone will buy them in my sale thread in the Stagea Parts Classifieds, at least that way i can recoup my cash & put it towards a set that will suit my car.

[Oki34]

Or you can adjust them longer. Or they'll work just fine, because the R33 and auto Stagea spindles are the same part, which your coilovers are designed to work with.

Meh, it's your money.

[M I K E]

Or you can adjust them longer. Or they'll work just fine, because the R33 and auto Stagea spindles are the same part, which your coilovers are designed to work with.

Meh, it's your money.

this.

[darrinspencer]

I just measured what I have

I have a series 2 manual rear end

I have a series 2 auto rear end

And a manual SK rear bilstien shock

Shock length from centre of bolt in fork to top of strut top is 685mm

These next measurements are a bit rough as it was in the dark

The measurement of the Auto rear end between the centre of the drive shaft to the centre of the bolt that the bottom eyelet of strut slides on is approx 55mm

The measurement of the Manual rear end between the centre of the drive shaft to the centre of the hole in the hub that the bottom bolt for the strut fork is approx 90-95mm

So the auto struts need to be approx 35-40mm shorter than manual ones

I also had a look to see if you could swap the auto hubs (no hicas) over but you can't due to the hicas setup.

Even if you find another hub from a R33 gtst with hicas, there may still be a problem with the bearing sizes as they are a few different sizes and styles.

This should answer your original question

[darrinspencer]

, because the R33 and auto Stagea spindles are the same part,

That is only partly true.

Non turbo R33 Gts and auto stagea could be the same as both do not have hicas

Turbo R33 gtst has hicas so not the same

Plus you need to check the rear drive shafts as stagea's have 3 different types which effects the bearing sizes on the rear hubs

[Oki34]

All the bearings will interchange with all the spindles. The bolt spacing on the hub is the same, just the bearing and axle diameter are different, so this is a non-issue.

You can swap HICAS and non-HICAS stuff around if you have a press, you just swap the ball joint part onto the non-HICAS spindle. To keep it simple, however, I suggested the R33 spindles. When I said they're the same as Stagea I meant where the shock bolts up. I like simple part swaps better than worrying about pressing out and back in parts that could possibly get messed up in the process, so personally I would just swap the spindles with 33 HICAS ones, and keep the old ones in case these shocks go out and an affordable set of manual Stagea coilovers presented themselves before another set of auto coilovers did.

Edited April 16, 2010 by Oki34