Stillen Exhaust

[iamhe77]

Mild steel rusts, that is one reason why people go with stainless.

Why so defensive? We are not all F&F wannabe's.

Edited November 22, 2010 by iamhe77

[GeNOS]

note being defensive, just the only reason iv been given so far is "cos its stainless". i was after a reasonable reason that one would pay the extra

[scotty nm35]

note being defensive, just the only reason iv been given so far is "cos its stainless". i was after a reasonable reason that one would pay the extra

So it doesn't rust...

So it makes good power...

To get it to tuck up nicely under a lowered car...

That $750 mild system was only worth $60 in materials, you feel ripped off?

I run ethanol in my car so a mild system wouldn't last more than a few months im guessing... You are right though, stainless isn't special, titanium is a much better choice.

[GeNOS]

So it doesn't rust...

So it makes good power...

To get it to tuck up nicely under a lowered car...

That $750 mild system was only worth $60 in materials, you feel ripped off?

I run ethanol in my car so a mild system wouldn't last more than a few months im guessing... You are right though, stainless isn't special, titanium is a much better choice.

• paint a. A liquid mixture, usually of a solid pigment in a liquid vehicle, used as a decorative or protective coating.
  

• stainless makes good power? better than mild steel? could you give me some stats on how it makes more power then a mild steel system?.
  

• a custom hand made one would tuck up just as much, if not better then an off the shelf item.thats why its called custom made... it wouldn't be custom if it didn't suit the car it was being made for exactly
  

• no not at all, cos i didn't pay excessively for a full sick brand name one
  

• obviously if theres reason such as methanol, then thats a reason... my question was biased on the average every day driver
  

EDIT:

im not trying to ague the point, just curios as to why i would want to pay the extra other then "cos its stainless" or "cos its [brand name]", when u can get something made locally that will perform exactly the same

Edited November 22, 2010 by GeNOS

[ClutchBurndout-:(]

pretty sure the only bonus with stainless is because it wont rust and looks cleaner.....

i would never put a stainless exhaust on my car, not worth the extra $ imo, unless ofcourse you A. love your car enough to spend extra and B have extra money to throw around.

[scotty nm35]

stainless makes good power? better than mild steel? could you give me some stats on how it makes more power then a mild steel system?.

As with most mild steel tight arse exhausts, mandrel bends are rarely used, gas is not purged inside the pipe while welding, galvanising is not cleaned off before welding, mostly mig welded not tig, not to mention, you cant heat wrap mild.

Its just not worth spending the time to get good power on a low cost system that will only last a few years. You don't think its worth the money? I do and so do my customers.

[PN-Mad]

the main reason is rust and longevity. Something you might be intimately acquainted with, looking at your sig.

Depending on how you use your car, that one mild steel might turn into rust quite quick, even if its painted, because you can't paint from the inside out...

They also sound different, as i understand it, mild steel has a dull, softer note, while stainless has a louder, harsher note (obviously this is highly depended on the muffler/resonator set up)

Its fine if you want to go for an cheaper product, just don't judge us for wanting the opposite.

[GeNOS]

As with most mild steel tight arse exhausts, mandrel bends are rarely used, gas is not purged inside the pipe while welding, galvanising is not cleaned off before welding, mostly mig welded not tig, not to mention, you cant heat wrap mild.

Its just not worth spending the time to get good power on a low cost system that will only last a few years. You don't think its worth the money? I do and so do my customers.

your stating defects in workmanship, not the product.

EXACT same system, performance of stainless vs steel is what im talking about. not high end stainless vs steel system made up by barry in his shed after a case of VB.

why would you heat wrap your cat back system???

mild steel lasting "only a few years"? hardly. but yes, obviously it wont last as long as stainless.

most people would usually sell your cars on long before it would be an issue. plus if your a keen modder, your probably making changes here or there, which may require changing it anyway before its an issue

anywho, ill agree to disagree

[iamhe77]

pretty sure the only bonus with stainless is because it wont rust and looks cleaner.....

Agreed.... and the difference in exhaust note as stated by PN-Mad - well in my experience this has been the case anyway.

your stating defects in workmanship, not the product.

EXACT same system, performance of stainless vs steel is what im talking about. not high end stainless vs steel system made up by barry in his shed after a case of VB.

why would you heat wrap your cat back system???

mild steel lasting "only a few years"? hardly. but yes, obviously it wont last as long as stainless.

most people would usually sell your cars on long before it would be an issue. plus if your a keen modder, your probably making changes here or there, which may require changing it anyway before its an issue

anywho, ill agree to disagree

Exact same system, I don't see there being a difference in performance.

You wouldn't bother heat wrapping a cat-back... but dump pipe or possibly front pipe? Definitely.

Depends on the engine and driving conditions as to how long it will last... Take the VQ for instance, there is quite a bit of water vapour that goes through the exhaust (and sits in it when the car is turned off). With a stainless exhaust, this is not a problem... or how about if you drive on dirt roads? Having mud stuck to a mild steel exhaust would also speed up oxidation due to the moisture being "held" onto the steel. Even if it was painted, the protective paint could easily be scratched off in areas by stones or speed bumps.

Why is modification easier for a mild system than a stainless one? They can both easily be cut and welded so labour charge is the same and both are readily available.

Perhaps the prices quoted to you for a stainless system in the past have been a little cheeky?

I suppose another plus to a stainless exhaust would be re-sale. There has to be a reason people will state in their sale ads "Full custom stainless exhaust" in they have one and only "Full custom exhaust" if they have a mild steel one.

Both systems have their +'s and -'s, but for the sake of a couple hundred bucks I will always go with a stainless unit over mild.

[TUFF_350]

I was tinkering around on youtube before,

kinda wishing i went the Exoticspeed route instead of HKS. There Exoticspeed RII-Titan model is basically a near perfect replication of the extremely pricey Amuse system

http://www.exoticspeed.ca/product_info.php...roducts_id=4921

[GRK35L]

After reading all those comments the reason I went with what I did is that at the end of the day , I got the satisfaction of modifying my own car , giving me the feeling that I was making my car my own , the system was a perfect fit and there was absolutely nothing that needed to be modified to make it fit , I also have the piece of mind that I know exactly what parts and fixings are used on my car , also I plan to keep the car till the day it dies so I bought with the intention to buy something that will last me longer , even if it costs more in the short term .

[GRK35L]

post a sound clip/vid

will take a short video tomorow if I get a chance

[GRK35L]

quick video i took on my phone

IMG_0544.MOV