Provisional Drivers To Be Banned From Driving On Friday, Saturday Nights?

[zebra]

Also, for all the people against this idea, how much driving experience do you have, and have you done any advanced driver training.

Or are you to cool for school and know it all.

Me, 30 yrs driving cars, trucks /trailers, heavy plant and motorbikes, my licence is HR, R, I've completed the "drive to survive' course and I'm also a assistant driving instructor with defence, and I'm still learning.

THIS

I have had so many "mates" tell me how good a driver they were...so I dragged them out to a track day and they spent more time in the sand trap than on the track.

I'm not saying Im a good driver (im a hack) and drive a safe as I can on the street

[The Bogan]

Eat Me, Please explain then, your age, licence type and reason for not liking this idea.

[Hadouken]

Haha let's get down to the criteria the. Ey? .

Ok I'm 23, full license for 3 years. Have driven in 3 other countries. South Africa, Mauritius, Canada.

My reason for not liking the idea is very simple. If they want drivers to be well experienced then don't give them a curfew. Make them obtain a higher level of driving knowledge/experience prior to giving them the right of driving. Included in that, a harsh but fair driving examination to obtain their probationary license.

I've been saying that for a while now. I believe that is the correct direction to go. It will filter out the people who are a risk on our roads.

[zebra]

No it wont...

17 years olds are going to drive/act a hell of a lot differently with an instructor in a car compared to an hour after they pass and go cruising with mates

[The Bogan]

So in saying that then how would you feel if the curfew didn't count anyone who had done advanced driver training courses, thus it would be a reward for those people who are willing to put in the extra effort.

But if said person was found speeding or breaking other road laws the curfew would reapply to them and they would also receive heavy fines and loss of licence.

I would support that.

[Hadouken]

Now it's a argument. I don't really want to argue about it if you truly believe that giving a a new driver a base of advanced driving courses, which includes skid pans, avoiding obstacles, emergency stops, deliberately loosing control of the vehicle - all of this to teach a driver how to handle these situations when or if they occur.

Thus making them safer drivers

Then I can't persuade you and nor do I want to.

Edited October 19, 2011 by eat_me

[The Bogan]

I'm not arguing.

[Hadouken]

Sorry that was to zebra!

Mlr that is a bit more complex then than just banning all. I believe that would be much better. Because then there is a punishment for you're actions. Rather than punishing all, the ones that are caught are punished. Which would make that law more justified

[zebra]

I know what you are saying, but the point is they will still get themselves in that situation, and a skid pan doesnt have half a dozen telegraph poles, pedestrians or other cars.

So while you might save yourself from doing a 360 in the wet, it doesnt count for squat if you plow into a restaurant doing so.

As an example when I was at school, we did one of those defensive driving thingos at the Holden (now BMW) driving school.

In the 2 weeks after that there were 6 accidents involving people who did the course, because they all had it in their heads that they were now awesome drivers and got cocky, all 6 of these guys were sedate and sensible drivers before the course.

[Cassbo]

I dislike the idea but mainly for reasons that apply to the small minority that have or have had my circumstances.

When I left school I started an electrical apprenticeship for an electrical switchboard manufacturer who deals in commercial and industrial sectors. All shutdowns are done after hours on a Friday or Saturday night between the hours of 8PM and 3AM. Should this law have been around then this would significantly decreased my ability to do overtime, and on around $220 after tax per week anything on top of that was a godsend.

I also have family and friends spread out all over NSW. Providing I was on my Ps and this law was in place, a simple drive to Burren Junction from Sydney after leaving work on a Friday has suddenly turned into an overnight trip.

All in all, I see this as a poor Band-Aid solution as the P platers that currently drive like numpties around these hours are probably going to have just as much respect for this new rule as any other road rule.

[Galois]

16% of drivers, all inexperienced, causing %25 of accidents is a fairly predictable statistic. Guess what, learner drivers cause a few more accidents! I'd have expected that number to be much bigger if they're going to use it as a basis for rule changes.

The problems is it's too easy to get a licence; young drivers suddenly go from driving carefully with parents to being able to hoon; peer pressure from friends or wanting to show off is an incentive to speed.

A lot of that can be solved by more intensive driver training, look at the finland example earlier in that top gear episode.

[The Bogan]

It's not black and white yet, It's only a recommendation, its an idea which needs working out, people just hear a bit of information and run off with "o noes, the government is the devil" without looking at any facts.

Classic forum knee jerk mentality.

The world ends next year anyway, so I cannot see the point in worrying about new road laws.

VIVA LA PARANOIA

[zebra]

As mark said, thought needs to be put into the requirements of young drivers who need to travel at night for work etc.

I think though that HUGE penalties need to be put on extreme cases of idiocy, think a $5k fine for more than 45 over and a 12 month good behavior thingo + loss of licence for 2 years

and have it implemented as a minimum!

would sure make me think twice about giving the car a squirt to get round a truck etc

[oweban]

I thought it ended on Friday according to that crazy Christian guy

and yeah next year according to Mayans

hooray no more car loans

[zebra]

etc etc

I agree here somewhat, yes much to easy to get a licence.

the testing puts too much emphasis on theory and with just a single test in a car you are off, and it doesnt matter if you cant drive, as long as you can reverse park (really....who does that anymore) and glance at your mirrors occasionally.

It would be nice to see more than 1 test..maybe 2 or 3 each with different assessors focusing on different aspects of driving.

[oweban]

but that'd cost moooooney and we'd all be roooooooned and it's a toxic new tax on driiiiving (even though it's a privilege, not a right)

(doing the ACA/TT for you)

[niZmO_Man]

As someone who drives across Sydney every single work day, I can safely say that this ban is stupid. I have seen so many courteous P-platers who know how to drive without being a hazard on the road compared to when I was a p-plater a few years ago. My younger brother is a P-plater, every time I sat with him I would comment/make suggestions/tell him off so he would become a "better" driver. I taught him about respecting your car + others on the road, being on the lookout for hazards (e.g. bad drivers), etc etc so I can safely let him drive my R31.

As people have said, a lot of it comes down to attitude. I see plenty of non-p platers driving badly at all hours of the day.

Make getting your license harder, teach them how to drive not how to pass the driving test. The driving test should reflect this.

Also make it more difficult for international drivers to get their license as there are far too many of them being road hazards in Sydney.

Simply saying to ban all P1 drivers from driving at night is dumb, even though they are attempting to cut down on incidents involving those drivers.

If they do go ahead with it, one has to wonder if P1 drivers can ask for compensation because they can't drive (e.g. can't work during those hours, get the government to pay them something, or expensing hotel/motel stays because you can't drive during that time).

[NISMO]

I agree here somewhat, yes much to easy to get a licence.

the testing puts too much emphasis on theory and with just a single test in a car you are off, and it doesnt matter if you cant drive, as long as you can reverse park (really....who does that anymore) and glance at your mirrors occasionally.

It would be nice to see more than 1 test..maybe 2 or 3 each with different assessors focusing on different aspects of driving.

Completely agree.

Driving test should be split up into conditions and environments and a pass needed for each to get your liscence.

There are countries around the world where you need to pass a course, not just a test, which includes First Aid, night driving rain driving etc etc.

Do this and you will quickly weed out a lot of the incompetant drivers on road.

Yes it will be a bit more expensive but thats also a bonus and will encourage so/so "not really sure if i want to drive so don't give a crap about learning anyhting" drivers off the road.

[N1GTR]

So 16% of the drivers cause 25% of accidents hey?

Well, whatever you do, don't train the remaining 84% who cause 75% of road accidents.

Training the majority, that'd be just stupid.

Here ends todays sarcasm lesson.

[D_I_F]

The idiots are the 9-5ers who sit in an office all day and catch public transport all week and simply forget how to drive by the time the weekend comes.

And I don't like how you use the word "spastics" in that way... Poor effort

Don't get all PC on us all here.