Jump to content
SAU Community

Is Anyone Running Deutschwerks Injectors?

Hadouken

By Hadouken,
in Engines & Forced Induction

 Share

Recommended Posts

Hadouken Grand Master

Hadouken

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Thanks for telling me what I am thinking guilt toy.

I still havent made the purchase because we only just started getting some good input on this.

I think you might need to excuse yourself from this conversation until you can contribute rather than saying this is bad, and I can't back it up.

But seeing as huped6 went through all that effort posting a good argument I am beginning to get swayed.

I suppose my choice lies between id's or sard ey...

  • Replies 94
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

ARTZ Grand Master

ARTZ

Posted
Posted

I dunno Rolls, Mixed reviews I guess..

Plus out of the people here that have them, half of you havent even fitted them yet :laugh:

But that wasnt it really, I just had other ideas I had dismissed, Hyped post revived them so i looked into it and it looks good, plus now I can get the parts locally..

HYPED6 Collaborator

HYPED6

Posted
Posted

Spray Patterns are very important.

I cant go into detail, because its Friday night and I couldn't be bothered. But we have seen huge reductions in EGTs with good (correct) injector spray patterns.

Think of the combustion chamber, with fuel and air in it...... now think of a spray pattern like a hose. Nice and straight and direct into the combustion chamber.

Now Imagine a spray pattern that isn't just a big cone but distributes the fuel evenly over the port and through the combustion chamber.

OK...... hopefully.... you have some sort of idea of the combustion process. Now the spark plug starts the flame, If we have a hose spray, then where the flame starts you might have a big chunk of fuel, then a massive pocket of air, then a correct mixture of air and fuel then another big chunk of fuel...... and finally another big chunk of oxygen....... by the way Oxygen = heat, Just like oxy acetylene.

This is what melts pistons, and creates detonation and just makes a poor tune in general.

I don't need to explain what a good atomizing injector does, I think that's pretty self explanatory, heat dissipation, complete combustion and correct flame propagation.

Now to the people that think this is utter nonsense, and it doesn't matter what happens on the inside because there AFR's are correct, we recently ran 153 mph in a 3200 pound car with a standard 1JZ. No cams, no springs, no pistons...... nothing. And guess what. It lived.

Google a drag calculator and see what it tells you the power its making. You may be surprised

Rolls Grand Master

Rolls

Posted
Posted

Spray Patterns are very important.

I cant go into detail, because its Friday night and I couldn't be bothered. But we have seen huge reductions in EGTs with good (correct) injector spray patterns.

I don't think any of us doubt this, what I am curious about is what injectors actually have a better spray pattern than stock out there? They all look like the same design to me.

HYPED6 Collaborator

HYPED6

Posted
Posted

I don't think any of us doubt this, what I am curious about is what injectors actually have a better spray pattern than stock out there? They all look like the same design to me.

Its funny, when I was first learning about tuning I thought a certain set of injector spray pasterns actually looked very good. The spark plugs where very white indicating a lot of heat. We changes to a different style of injectors, tuned the engine in the same fashion and the plugs where light brown. We actually stopped melting pistons at this stage to

A trained eye can pick a good spray pattern, but quality equipment will tell you what is right or wrong for your application.

i have tuned perfectly good 30/25's with hi flowed injectors and had no dramas. I have also found "quality" injectors on smaller engine to be rubbish.

HYPED6 Collaborator

HYPED6

Posted
Posted

How does one test spray pattern.

I hate to say it, trial and error. But look at the droplets. Don't look at the pattern. Its the size of the droplets and where they are is the key factor. The pattern plays a big part in this directly through distribution.

Guilt-Toy Grand Master

Guilt-Toy

Posted
Posted

Yes I would prefer to sit on the fence on this one, especially seeing that I do not want to rubbish any particular brand on a public forum, its very easy to get banned on here these days....

What I was trying to do was push the subject that you cannot go wrong with getting the best injectors for your application as possible. Not something made in china, not something that sprays like a garden hose, detonation and pre-ignition and all those nasties are best to be avoided at all costs.

you can use china manifolds and turbo's, they don't piss me off as much as shitty injectors and fuel system's do.

maybe its personal, but after battling with countless issues that were later confirmed to be related to the injectors used on the car you kinda like to make sure its right the first time.

what injectors did you end up buying ? i still think the Nismo 740's are the go!

ARTZ Grand Master

ARTZ

Posted
Posted

^^how cool is that no.3 injector..

.

It all makes sense once you start to think about it, better spray, better burn, better power, better economy, better emissions..

What comes out is all dependant on what you put in...

Now top feed DWs aren't really any cheaper than other brands so maybe they are just as good quality.

But I am just not confident yet that these sidefeed DWs are a quality item, or just an item made on the cheap to sell to a niche customer..

So i'm opting for some new tech instead..

Gettting Nismos would just be boring ...Originally I was keen to keep it all looking stock with the rail and all, but I think I already crossed that line when I put the huge EG in there..

Im Still keeping my stock airbox though :laugh:

So I'm getting a stubby EV14 style (Xspurt) injector, 750cc should cover me (only other option was 2000cc), will have a adj reg anyway should I need a little extra..the 1000cc injectors are 15mm longer so not sure yet if they will fit yet. I will try get some to test cause it looks like they will, but saying they will fit is one thing, actually getting them in there is another matter.

Honestly, with rail and reg It will cost about the same as Nismos in the end, but I think should be better. They're meant to have great idle qualities and easy tunablity. Plus once its all setup they are much cheaper to replace or change for bigger items..

scotty nm35 Grand Master

scotty nm35

Posted
Posted

The issue I see with picking a good spray pattern is what pressure do you test them at, my Bosch 1000's start off at 35psi base and run around 70psi on boost obviously this will change the droplet size and cone shape. Also, where would you want the mist aiming in the port?

I must admit though, my plugs are lasting much longer with the 1000's over the last tune with the Deka 610's but I did change quite a few other parts at the same time. :whistling:

Artz, I think its a great idea, I just hope the Neo rail lines up ok.

ARTZ Grand Master

ARTZ

Posted
Posted

I know you think its a great idea, because it was your idea...lol

but Im not getting neo rail I looked into it but its too bulky and I think it would stuggle to fit, so just getting aftermarket rail and reg..

he threw me a good deal on the whole package, you will like it :thumbsup:

ARTZ Grand Master

ARTZ

Posted
Posted

I will be scouring between nismo's and id's it looks like.

I don't know, I don't know.

This thread has opened my eyes and I want to best there is. Haha.

Recommend me top quality, Hyped6.

Sorry i have kind of hijacked your thread mate..

you have to rememebr we are talking about sidefeeds, yours are topfeed so choices are much easier..

Id say just go ID ,bosch, or Xspurt and you cant go wrong, they are all based around the same design anyway

DWs are probably ok too but they arent really any cheaper, so I would just get whatever you can find locally..

DWs are about 550$, plus shipping your looking at 600$..you should find bosch injectors locally for much the same price. I did.. :thumbsup:

  • 3 weeks later...
Rolls Grand Master

Rolls

Posted
Posted

Don't have stockies here to compare but here is some photos. Will be picking up my stock ones to compare in a few days though as I am also curious if I am going to have to paint them or not.

img20120119184820.th.jpg

img20120119184757.th.jpg

Ok so stock injectors aren't purple, they are a dark grey ish colour. I went to a model shop and bought some paint for $6 and painted mine with a cotton bud, looks 100% identical to the stockers now, only took about 30 minutes to do as well.

Win.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • suko
      J50 clock date suddenly reset to January 1

      By suko · Posted

      Well, I can recommend the partial AV system translation CD I ordered from Car Audio Workshop in NZ. Whilst it didn't address the date issue, it has conveniently translated on-screen menu items into English, and now allows the GPS-received time to be offset in hours rather than minutes, so I can display Eastern Australian time accurately ( and bump it by another hour when daylight savings starts ).
    • GTSBoy
      Baron's R34 GT-R build thread - car in Japan for 5 years -_-

      By GTSBoy · Posted

      Yuh, if it's 45°C outside, my car is driving in it.
    • soviet_merlin
      Baron's R34 GT-R build thread - car in Japan for 5 years -_-

      By soviet_merlin · Posted

      I'd be curious to hear more. Otherwise, have you driven a modern x-trail? I wonder how it compares. Here in Australia they are/were popular for rentals and fleet vehicles. I have been in some and my impression was they are bad. But, this may have been very different in the 2000s at a good trim level. Twenty years is plenty of time to make the model worse. I do very much agree with the 2 silver cars in the garage approach. But, not driving because it's too hot would not leave a lot of time in the year for many Australians. I don't think you need to worry too much unless the car has actual issues with overheating. 
    • BaronOBeefdip
      Baron's R34 GT-R build thread - car in Japan for 5 years -_-

      By BaronOBeefdip · Posted

      Back again. I returned to Japan in Jul/Aug to spend time with the car on my birthday and remind myself what all the sacrifice and compromise is for. It happened to line up with the monthly morning meet in Okutama, which I have been wanting to go to for a long time. It's a unique event at a unique spot with really rare, interesting, and quirky cars. It's where all the oldheads and OGs gather. The nighttime scene at DKF certainly has its place and should be experienced if you're into cars, but there's too much bad attention and negativity around it now. IMO the better time is Sunday morning at DKF or Okutama; it's more chill and relaxed. I'm glad I was finally able to go, but not sure it's worth the drive from all the way from Nagoya immediately the day before, unless I was already staying in Tokyo for the days right before the meet, because you have to wake up quite early to make it in time. Funnily enough though I didn't drive the car all that much this trip because it was just too damn hot. While there were zero issues and running temps were nominal and the A/C was strong, RBs already run crazy hot as it is. Sure, it took it all like a champ but something about driving these cars in the ridiculous heat/humidity bothers me and makes me feel like I'm asking too much of it. I'm just me being weird and treating the car like a living thing with feelings; I'm mechanically sympathetic to a fault. Instead I was mainly driving something else around - a KX4(silver) 2001 X-Trail GT, that I acquired in May. There's a few different flavors to choose from with Xs, but visually it's the Nissan version of the Honda CR-V. Mechanically it's a whole different story as this, being the top-trim GT, has an SR20VET mated to a four-speed auto and full-time AWD! It was a very affordable buy in exceptional condition inside and out, with very low mileage...only 48k kms. Most likely it was owned by an older person who kept it garaged and well-maintained, so I'm really happy with how it all worked out. It literally needs zero attention at the moment, albeit except for some minor visual touch-ups. I wanted something quirky, interesting, and practical and for sure it handily delivers on all three of those aspects. I was immediately able to utilize the cargo and passenger capacity to its full extent. It's a lot of fun to drive and is quite punchy through 1st and 2nd. It's very unassuming -in the twisty bits it's a lot more composed than one would think at a glance- and it'll be even better once I get better tires on it(yes, it's an SUV but still a little boat-y for my liking). So...now I have two golden-era Nissans in silver. One sports car and one that does everything else; the perfect two-car solution I think👍 The rest of the trip...I was able to turn my stressed brain off and enjoy it, although I didn't quite get to do as much as I thought. I did some interesting things, met some interesting people, and happened into some interesting situations however, that's all for another post though only if people really want to know. Project-wise, I went back to Mine's again to discuss more plans and am hoping to wrap that up real soon; keep watching this space if that interests you. Additionally, while working in the tormenting sweatbox that is the warehouse, I was able to organize most of the myriad of parts that my friend is storing for me along with the cars, and the 34 has a nice little spot carved out for it: And since it can get so stupid hot in there, that made it all the more easy -after I was standing there looking at the car and said 'f**k it'- to finally remove all the damn gauges that have mostly been an eyesore all this time. Huzzah. The heat basically makes the adhesive backing on the gauge mounts more pliable to work with, so it was far less stressful getting this done. I didn't fully clean it up or chase the wiring though; that will happen once I have the car in closer possession. Another major reason to remove all that stuff is to give people less reasons to get in my car and steal s**t while it's being exported/imported when/if the time comes, which leads us to my next point... ...and that is even though it's time in Japan is technically almost up since it's a November car and the X would be coming in March, I'm still not entirely sure where my life and career is headed; I don't really know what the future looks like and where I'm going to end up. I feel there's a great deal of uncertainty with me and as a result of that, it feels like I'm at a crossroads moreso now than any point in my life thus far and there are some choices I need to make. Yes, I've had some years to consider things and prepare myself, however too much has happened in that time to maintain confidence and everything feels so up in the air; tenuous one might say. Simply put, there's just too much nonsense going on right now from multiple vectors. Admittedly, I'm struggling to stay in the game and keep my eyes on the prize. So much so in fact, that very recently I came the closest I ever have before to calling it quits outright; selling everything and moving on and not looking back. The astute among you will pick up on key subtext within this paragraph. In the meantime I've still managed to slowly acquire some final bits for the car, but it feels nice knowing there's not much left to get and I'm almost across that finish line; I have almost everything I'll ever want for my interpretation and expression on what it is I think an R34 should be. 'til later.
    • Bwagz
      Engine model

      By Bwagz · Posted

      Thanks for that, hadn’t used my brain enough to think about that. 
×
×
  • Create New...