Apexi Power FC questions. Lots of them.

[P1E]

1. Just to confirm, PFCs are defectable (in South Australia), correct?

2. Assuming they are, how difficult/expensive are PFCs to remove when you cop a defect? Can you put the standard ECU back in ten minutes, or do you have to re-tune the stock ECU and then re-tune the PFC the day after as well?

3. How does the revolution limiter/lock work? I know you can lock your revs to a certain RPM, but how exactly do you do it? Is it a thirty second task? Is it equally as easy to undo? If it is, what stops your mechanic etc from taking it off? Are they commonly used as a secondary method of theft provention?

4. Where is the cheapest place to buy a PFC with hand controller?

5. Do I even need the hand controller? Is the hand controller useful for an average person, or would I need mechanical knowledge to benefit from having it?

5. How much extra is the boost controller thingo and is it better than the AVCR or other cheaper alternatives?

6. I've heard rumours regarding a new model being released soon, complete with hand controller at a lower price point than what they're currently selling at. Can any of you confirm this?

TIA for your answers.

[rb25]

1. not sure, i'd say so.

2. yes, just bang the standard one back in and drive away. depending on mods of coures, bigger injectors or turbo and you wouldnt do it. The powerfc holds the tune for along time.

3. rev limiter is a fuel cut in the L-jetro version (the common one everyones got)

4. www.nengun.com - excellent price and service in my experience of late. ive spent many dollars with him.

5. not really, i dont have one. detonation registers on your check engine light when the pfc reads a knock of 60+. i dont think you'd need huge mechanical knowledge to understand it tho, it is very useful for realtime monitoring.

6. this is true and is current. apexi only sell packages and at a pretty cheap price too. check out nengun.

-rb25

[Revhead]

Echoing, most of rb25's comments, but here we go anyway

1. Dunno. Probably.

2. Yep, as long as the engine is close enough to stock you should be right

3. You just go through the menus on the hand controller, pick rev limit, then press up or down until you see the number you want. It's a bit tedious if you're making big changes (10rpm at a time!) but can be useful. You can set the rev limit lower than your idle, just to confuse it, or if you need to give your car to a panel beater or a mechanic, drop the limit to something LOW. I set mine to 1800rpm last time, and took the hand controller with me so they couldn't change it back.

4. Dunno. I got mine from someone on these forums

5. No you don't NEED one, but it's well worth getting it for the monitoring what the engine is doing, and for making the occasional small change (like the rev limit)

5 (2nd one ). From what I hear it retails for something like $800. I have no idea how it compares to other similar devices, but the fact it interfaces with the PFC can't be a bad thing.

6. Wouldn't have a clue

[N/A®]

Defectable,

5 minute removal and fitting of the standard ecu. Only problem you will have is if you have changed things like the Airflow meter etc.... Then, you obviously cant run the standard ECU.

With the hand controller you are able to monitor temp, timing, injector etc etc....

Boost limiter is easy to set.. only takes about 30 seconds.. and you dont really need the hand controller.

[DofDof]

1) yes defectable

2) easy to take out but if u are running bigger injectors possible z32 afm ya car wont run at all

3) choose ya rev limit and away ya go...need commander for that (hand controller)

4) i just bought full kit for 1240 for my 180...there ppl selling them for 1130 but u hav to pick them up from customs so hence u would hav to pay 10% gst when picking them up

5) dont need it but better off getting it

6) extra boost controller thingy...450...i choose a avc-r instead cause of more features...also i heard the power fc boost controller solenoid is quite small.

7) yes now apexi are releasing a kit with hand controller due to consumer demand...u can still buy them seperate but works out cheaper when buying together...price look at no. 4

8) just buy one...they are an awsome unit

[Bl4cK32]

Power FC boost control kit is same as AVCR, just doesnt have the blue screen comp. Same solenoid, everything same as AVCR....why would they make a different boost control kit for their own ECU?? Gets me confused why ppl think its different. You use the hand controller instead of the blue sceen to monitor and set it up...

[MicK51]

Has anyone had or heard of any problems running powerfc's with larger injectors (say around 550cc)?

(sorry P1E, didn't mean to hijack ya thread)

[INASNT]

Has anyone had or heard of any problems running powerfc's with larger injectors (say around 550cc)?

(sorry P1E, didn't mean to hijack ya thread)

you can run whatever injectors/afm etc you want with a pfc.

That the reason you change from stock ecu to a pfc

[P1E]

So, say I do replace the injectors and turbo...

When I cop a defect, do the injectors and turbo have to go in order to swap the ECU in order to clear the defect?

:confused:

[Craved]

if you get an engineers cert for the turbo etc then everything is fine, but as far as i know with ECU it is illegal to have one that is tunable.. but im sure to get the eng cert you would have to pass emissions!

pretty hard to get defected for an ECU, they wont really pull out the kick panel and have a look in there and know the difference between stock and aftermarket!!

[INASNT]

So, say I do replace the injectors and turbo...  

When I cop a defect, do the injectors and turbo have to go in order to swap the ECU in order to clear the defect?

:confused:

dont live ur life worrying about getting a defect.

If it happens it happens and you deal with it and then get it ceared and put everything back on again like the rest of of.

[P1E]

I'm not worried that I'll be defected, because it's pretty much guaranteed. I just want to know what I'll be up for to clear it...

[INASNT]

if ya know the right people you dont usually have to take anything off to clear it

[Craved]

if ya know the right people you dont usually have to take anything off to clear it

true true, can be quite easy to get em passed!

[knore]

Can i get your opinions on this;

Because my car is auto, i decided to just grab an SITC and SAFC2. Now theyve been sitting her for awhile, because i dont plann to put them in and get tuned untill ive upgraded my turbo.

I know i have timing and fuel control with these. But im wondering weather its worth selling them, and buying a wolf3d even tho its going to cost me an extra $700 approx.

Im not aiming high, i want to make approx 230rwkw on a 2530 or hiflow turbo.

Im fairly confident the SAFC2 and SITC will do what i need

[rs73]

has anyone tried fitting the whole PFC internal & circuitry into the stock ecu casing?

might be an idea for wolf in sheep's clothing disguise....

[Bl4cK32]

Shouldnt have to in the first place....

[Anquetil]

Can i get your opinions on this;

Because my car is auto, i decided to just grab an SITC and SAFC2. Now theyve been sitting her for awhile, because i dont plann to put them in and get tuned untill ive upgraded my turbo.

I know i have timing and fuel control with these. But im wondering weather its worth selling them, and buying a wolf3d even tho its going to cost me an extra $700 approx.

Im not aiming high, i want to make approx 230rwkw on a 2530 or hiflow turbo.

Im fairly confident the SAFC2 and SITC will do what i need

knore, I doubt you will make 230rwkw on stock injectors, in which case you'll need aftermarket injectors and an aftermarket ECU to control them, from what I've read the SAFC will freak with bigger injectors.

[Revhead]

SAFC shouldn't give a stuff what size injectors you have - if the ECU can drive them, the SAFC can control them. All the SAFC does is modify the AFM signal so that the stock computer opens the injectors for a different amount of time. The flow rate of those injectors shouldn't matter.

[Anquetil]

SAFC shouldn't give a stuff what size injectors you have - if the ECU can drive them, the SAFC can control them. All the SAFC does is modify the AFM signal so that the stock computer opens the injectors for a different amount of time. The flow rate of those injectors shouldn't matter.

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