difference in performance with auto?

[madcabbie]

Hey guys,

Is there much performance difference between the manual and auto versions of the r32 or r33 GTS-t skylines?

I am still not sure which model I will get. I have seen a few cheaper automatic versions of the r33.

Are the Automatics more reliable then the manuals? I naturally will do minor performance upgrades along the way, but i don't want something thats just going to sux my bank balance dry with breakdowns.

thanks folks :jawa:

[WazR32GTSt]

i'm sure everyone is going to jump on here and bag the auto's down to the ground...

but as an auto R32GTSt driver i can say it is still quick in modded form... quicker than a modified manual tx5 turbo that's guaranteed (he he)

i am running a trannie cooler though and at $80 tis a worthy investment for your auto.

one advantage is that taking off is easier to get it consistently good with the auto as you can actually start spooling the turbo on the line. also with the 'power' button it holds gears to the redline for more fun

you would have to be a very good manual driver to consistently get better takeoffs than an auto IN MY OPINION

and as its my opinion i reserve the right to post it

*ready for the flames!*

Waz.

[Fly_With_Sky]

r33 autos are fairly quick (quicker than many would probably expect)

myslef and a manual mr2 turbo were neck and neck over the quarter and both were stock. considering the mr2 is fairly lighter, it goes to show that auto r33 shouldnt be laughed at straight away.

but the preferred choice is manual as you can do more with them and once you learn the ideal shifs and how to do these shifts well, the manual really shows its superiority.

you just have to get what is the most efficient choice for you...

[knore]

Yeh the autos in 32/33s are just as fast as the manuals in straight line speed

they have a descent top speed too

but ide still rather manual just so im in total control of the car.

[LBR33]

Auto skylines are really good to drive. Modding wise there cant be too much power loss difference as my 33 gtst pulled 172rwkw on the dyno. Mods are pod, 10psi, cat back. they are good for city driving too.

[4door_Sleeper]

I am a fan of the auto, great when you want to cruze, quick off the line, only drawback I can see is if you want a serious track car, then it might be worth going to a manual.

I also recall someone on these forums running a 12 second quarter with very little more than 215rwkw. (not too many manual drivers can do this with this level of power)

PS - check out the cost/price the others are paying for clutches, I could buy 2 or 3 autos and install them for that sort of money. (autos are dirt cheep at the wreckers if you haggle, as 95% of guys convert to or drive manuals and the wreckers are usually happy to move them out of the shop)

[krzysiu]

Onyl one problem is that you cant launch

[GTR-Ben]

I can't belive some of you are supporting auto's..

I owned an auto skyline for about 1 month before it drove me nuts and I chucked a manual in it. Never had a auto again.

Auto is good for cruising.. it ends there.

(waits for people to talk about drag auto's etc)

[rs73]

  krzysiu said:

Onyl one problem is that you cant launch

dont bag the auto yet... yes you can launch hard. just stall it, step on the brake and rev it up while in D. takes practice to find the right rev, and you'll take off like a jet. with tranny cooler and uprated torque converter, it can easily smoke any manual r33. most perf workshop shy away from auto as the performance market still leans towards the manual box, plus most aftermarket ecu works only with manual. but its not limiting to auto potential, as if you do the right mod, it'll be a very fast car. stock auto trans ecu logic can sometimes feel a bit slow in downshift or shifting up before you really want it, but with a little bit of electrical tweak or maybe aftermarket auto trans controller, those issue can be ironed out. seen somewhere a guy use steering wheel up/down button to control auto box just like a triptronic/sequential style, now that'll feel close to an f1 style box.

i myself prefer manuals cos i've been a manual driver for over 15 years, cant stand leaving my left food resting on the dead pedal all the time, it itched, it wanna play with the clutch, so i had to say bye bye auto and get the manual box ;-) sometimes i wish i do still have the auto especially in traffic. but what the heck, my left foot need practice.

[LBR33]

People tend to forget that the auto box fitted to skylines isnt pulled out of a xb falcon.

[rs73]

yes, they're quite good and strong auto box, ppl just underrate them as they can do more with the right upgrade. but still a bit slushy though, what i heard one of the better auto box from jpn is the one from 2.5TT soarer. they're more responsive than r33 autos, however dun think they will bolt on to RB without some serious hacking, swearing and hair pulling.

[madcabbie]

Well i opened a can of worms. But thanks for the info. I appreciate it. I just wanted to make sure the auto wasn't a dog . I will hoping to buy something in the next month.

I just remembered a performace DVD, or was it high octaine, (i will just have to look through them all again, what a pity) that had an auto r33 and the workshop that worked on the car had it doing massive wheel spins down the road in third. Just smoked this car with an auto. Think it was standard tranny. Motor wasn't. If anyone is interested just post and I will find out which one it was in. Was awsome smoking action. damn. Now i will have to find out now or i won't sleep.

Dang it, it would be the one I lent a mate. Guess he will be getting a call in the morning :wassup:

[Spook's_Skyline]

bout a second difference between a manual and auto r33 gts-t to 100km/h

dunno bout the quarter

[Abo Bob]

I am just about to play around with different fluids in mine to get some sharp shifting. Will report back.

[Cubes]

I doubt an Auto R32 with 16psi of boost, exhaust and fmic will run a 5.2-5.6 sec 0-100.

Saying that I've thought about the idea of an Auto behind the RB30DET.

The increase in fuel consumption is what gets me worried.

What sort of fuel consumption are you blokes getting in your Auto's?

When I had a VL I picked up around 80km's per tank by converting to manual.

[Fly_With_Sky]

  Spooks_Skyline said:

bout a second difference between a manual and auto r33 gts-t to 100km/h

dunno bout the quarter

i read somwhere or am remembering hearing from somewhere that an auto r33 is 0.6 seconds slower than the manual r33 over the quarter. So that will place it at 15 flat i suppose. although i have seen a stock auto r33 (filter is the only mod) do 14.6 down the quarter.

[knore]

  Spooks_Skyline said:

bout a second difference between a manual and auto r33 gts-t to 100km/h

dunno bout the quarter

not tht much,

autos suck for drifting, track racing and cos they get hot quick but in terms of performance they arent that far off a manual.

Get a stall converter, and you will be faster than the manual equivelant.

ive pulled a few 2.1 60ft times the first time i ever went to the track, best ET of 13.8@102.4mph running 0.7bar, stock turbo, no ecu, no dump, standard auto etc

[Spook's_Skyline]

  Quote

not tht much

manual

RB25DET 2498cc DOHC 24 valve EFI Straight 6 Turbo 187kw @ 6400rpm 295nm @ 4800rpm 7000rpm 1390 kg 6.18 seconds 14.39 seconds

auto

damnit, cant find the auto stats

i think they were in an autospeed story

it was definately reported that the autos were 1 second slower to 100k/m

makes sense, u cant launch an auto anywhere near as hard as a manual

actually, i dont know why ud bother with an auto in a car as awesome as a skyline

u auto boys are missing out

[MR R33 GTST]

I have an auto R33 it goes quite hard it has a few mods exust bov boost control and there is an ecu that you can get for the auto r33 its a uni chip i have just had it installed on mine it gave me an extra 20 kw's @ the wheels the autos are a good car to drive but if you like having fun like drifting and things like that i would get a manual but i have 190kws at the wheels boosted only to 9.5 and its mostly standard so u can get a lot of power out of an auto too in the end it comes down to how you drive.

[strutto]

  Spooks_Skyline said:

u auto boys are missing out

Have you driven an auto Skyline Dave?

They are no where near as bad as you are making out...

Plenty of them are pulling good times too...