Vote on this poll about P Platers

[bully]

http://ninemsn.com.au/homepage.asp

[GTS-t VSPEC]

I just voted NO. I can't see how restricting a P platers experience to all forms of driving could possibly help. How about we don't let them drive at all, then we can make sure there safe:rolleyes:

Instead of a measley 25hours of supervised training I think we need to do alot more driver training to give them the necessary skills.

[bully]

I feel that people should learn to drive in all conditions and situations. That way they gain experiance, by limiting where and when they can drive, they limit the experiance. A classic case it the old law of learners not being allowed on the Freeway here. We still suffer from people not knowing how to merge with fast moving traffic because of that and it is 80% of the reason the freeway grinds to a halt in the peak periods.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Bully, I totally agree. I've been driving now for over 10years, and yet going to do driver training at MC still taught me alot. It's all about experience, and if we restrict there experience then when there off there P plates they will still be unable to cope.

[bully]

I use to teach defensive driving and "Skid Car" skills along with " The system of vehicle control" technics and each time i done it it was like refresher training when preping for courses.

You never stop learning

[GTS-t VSPEC]

So you can teach an old-dog new tricks?

[Nizmo]

I just voted NO. I can't see how restricting a P platers experience to all forms of  driving could possibly help. How about we don't let them drive at all, then we can make sure there safe:rolleyes:

Instead of a measley 25hours of supervised training I think we need to do alot more driver training to give them the necessary skills.

Agreed!

Driver education is the key ...... not restriction ..... they have to learn how to drive properly in all conditions and the sooner the better.

[ix9]

I think power-restriction for P-Platers is a good idea, and only after completing a few driver training courses should they be allowed to have a higher powered vehicle...

[R33 Impul]

I agree with Kym. Motorbikes are restricted to capacity so why not the same for cars? Stopping P platers from driving at night just means they will crash at night when they get off their P plates then they will ban everyone under 21 from driving at night then under 25........................It's such a stupid idea. Just bite the bullet and make driving training part of year 12 schooling. 2c added

[GTS-t VSPEC]

While I agree that something needs to be done to reduce the road toll, I'm pretty sure that both a curfew and power limits of vehicles are nothing more than band-aid approaches. I'm quite often over-taken on the freeway by P platers in Excel's. If we simply reduce the power of the vehicles, it won't stop people from speeding and dying on our roads.

The answer may be a combination of approaches, but most important is much more driver training.

[Abo Bob]

Typical dodgy poll.

Will a curfew AND passenger restrictions...

Curfew no, passenger restrictions yes. Peer pressure or even just people showing off are real issues.

Did anyone see that article on a guy who was the boss of Ford Australia (or maybe it was Holden) and is now in Germany. He is finding it quite difficult to get his licence because the skills you have to possess are higher and the tests you have to pass are harder. He already has Australian and American licences.

One thing used as an example was that applicants needed to be able to adequately describe the difference between understeer and oversteer.

It needs to be much harder to get a licence and unfortunately that will make it more expensive. I only had my L's for a week before I got my licence and there was no P's in Canberra then. Admittedly I could drive fairly well by the age of 14 but that's not the usual. Skid pan work and other tests and instruction should be added to the list of things to be done before you can get a licence. Look at how much better the motorbike riders are now that much more training is required. This is proven fact.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, and I know I'm not from WA (but I used to live in Mt Hawthorn ) but this is an Australia wide issue.

[Butler]

nothing more than band-aid approaches.  

The answer may be a combination of approaches, but most important is much more driver training.

Totally agree. The thing that people need to understand is that deep down, p platers are STILL LEARNING! Thats why we have P plates up. Obviously we are going to have a few accidents because we are learning, but yet we are treated and displayed worse than normal drivers everytime we have an accident. What we need to do is to get us to do more learning in both extend time on your L plates and further driver training once you step out into the big world. How are we ment to get more experience if we cant drive at night or at certain hours of the day? That would just make us more at risk when we do get our full licence.

Also the thing with power restrictiongs, every car can go just as fast. As Paul previously stated and im sure it has happened to all of us, that we have been passed easily by excels and echos on the freeway or suburban streets. A commodore or excel will go just as fast as a skyline but will take a little longer getting there.

One thing i do partially agree on however is passenger restictions. I myself am a P plater and in my first few months of driving I did experience the peer pressure of having a car full of mates in the back urging you on to do something stupid. The pressure is huge and I did give in to it a few times but luckily nothing or noone got hurt. I could see easily how that would end up in tragedy. Not agreeing with stupid behavior but if you did get in a situation like that and your car did get out of control, then maybe the skills you learnt from driver training could save you and your mates lives.

Just my 2c.

Ps. Michelle Roberts :tool: needs to go!

[rob77]

Restrict the capacity and the power combined with an advanced driver training course and more supervised hours driving will all help. Remember though a 1.8l lancer will still do over 150km/hr and thats lethal, maybe we should also restrict the speed? its all too much, more experience is the key, not just hand them a license after doing their test and off they go literally with a loaded gun.

[sexzila]

waste of time.....

[B0BB0]

when doing proper driving lessons, u dont get show how to drive, you get shown how to pass the test.

advance driver training is the key.

i think limiting the amount of passengers is a good idea aswell.

with any type of curfew or ban, (night driving/power limit) u will always have the problem of the person lacking experience in the situation they are limited from, eg u get off your P's u get a high powered car, you have been driving round a shit box for the past 2 years, u think u know how to drive, so u push the high powered car around, u will more than likely come unstuck. on the other hand, u start off with a high powered car, if u have to work of it and appreciate it, u wont push it to stupid levels, coz u know how much it cost ya. so u build up your experence in it

my 2cents

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Bobbo, You got your P's yet? I would highly recommend doing some of the MC driver training, will give you an appreciation of what your car is capable of in a safe supervised enviroment:D

[B0BB0]

lol, paul u make me laugh, nar i plan to do mc, but am really keen on doing a coarse at wanneroo. really appreciate it

i got ant and danny on my back all the time so i will be right.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Haha, we're just trying to keep you in one piece:D

[rob77]

Driving home tonight a lancer gsr (I think) comes up on my tail with a bit of gusto so I floor it and he follows, but we came to a bit of road where we had to merge and he drops in behind at this point I check my rear view mirror and I can see at least 2 toddlers maybe 3 in the car with him... insane.

[DiPsHiT]

see its just not p-platers that need to be educated!!! i had to drive lil kid around last night and i didnt do stupid shit like that!