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Not making a judgement against MCA; everyone that I've heard from raves about them, but your comments about BC's just aren't true. I've been using them for more than 6 years now; damping and ride qua

conan7772
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yep bolts were loose, but you couldn't tell until the car was up on the hoist. put some Brembos on while we were at it. got that one past the wife ..

datmoo
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These should stiffen things up a bit!

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CruiseLiner Mentor

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Hey Guys

My rear right suspension has developed a knock :)

It will knock several times when going around a corner with one or more people sitting in the back. What is causing this?

dont be too descriptive now, thats a pretty basic question without much info :O

heavy passengers???

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AMS Grand Master

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haha Yeah sorry - Had to dash off to work!

Well it used to be able to hold all the weight I wanted. This is only a recent problem... Hitting the bump stops possibly? Now if this is the case - I dont want to sound like too much of a Noob (even though I am) what do I have to do to stop it? New shocks? Suspension?

All this thinking has made me tired...

CruiseLiner Mentor

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haha Yeah sorry - Had to dash off to work!

Well it used to be able to hold all the weight I wanted. This is only a recent problem... Hitting the bump stops possibly? Now if this is the case - I dont want to sound like too much of a Noob (even though I am) what do I have to do to stop it? New shocks? Suspension?

All this thinking has made me tired...

what suspension u got now? stock or lowered? sk's kit?

AlexCim Grand Master

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does it sound like a metal on metal sound, or rubber on metal?

bumpstops are a very ... well... bumpy ordeal when they hit.

I have a kinda knock, id call it a crack (like a screw) from the rear and I know its because of the rear wheel bearings + high km's + being lowered.

my "knock" occurs when the suspension is traveling, aka around tight corners etc (dont hear it in the sweepers)

Terminal Grand Master

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Well disaster has struck my car yet again.

It's been at my suspension mechanic for 2 weeks now, and i'm not getting it back anytime soon. Wheel bearings have been a pain in the butt to get replaced, the set he thought would work were 1mm out and even a 15T press couldn't get them in. He got the right ones, but they won't arrive until monday.

My suspension mech being the good bloke he is loaned me his 350Z for the weekend, but i turned him down. no way was i going to drive around in one of those, i'd be paranoid of hitting something.

Every time he looked under the car he noticed the CV boots splitting all over the shop, so i'm up for 4 of those now. a word of advise: DON'T USE UNIVERSAL CV BOOTS. they aren't designed for the movements the driveshafts make on stageas and wear in weak points and split very easily.

On the up side, i now have straight as an arrow rear wheels. no more negative camber. i'll get part numbers for those adjustable arms so everyone can share in my straightness. means i can lower the car a little more now without worrying about uneven tyre wear, or even tyres rubbing on my coilovers (which is was presently doing)

oxford1327 Experienced

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the knock sound you are hearing could possibly be the rim itself rubbing on the shock body, i have had this problem in the past with independant rears and being lowered.

remove one of the rear wheels and check the inner lip of the rim for damage, also look on the shock body itself for rub marks of any kind.

oxford1327 Experienced

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On the up side, i now have straight as an arrow rear wheels. no more negative camber. i'll get part numbers for those adjustable arms so everyone can share in my straightness. means i can lower the car a little more now without worrying about uneven tyre wear, or even tyres rubbing on my coilovers (which is was presently doing)

would be keen to get a hold of those part numbers as soon as they are available!! so i too can have straight rears but i have a series2 so would you be able to compare for fitment? as i have never seen another stag on the road its bit hard to compare stuff.

AMS Grand Master

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does it sound like a metal on metal sound, or rubber on metal?

bumpstops are a very ... well... bumpy ordeal when they hit.

I have a kinda knock, id call it a crack (like a screw) from the rear and I know its because of the rear wheel bearings + high km's + being lowered.

my "knock" occurs when the suspension is traveling, aka around tight corners etc (dont hear it in the sweepers)

Rubber on metal id say... Really loud bump bump bump bump noise..... and pretty bumpy. Its kinda like someone bashing the car with a metal pole.... would that be the bump stops?

AMS Grand Master

AMS

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I have some more noobish questions for you all...

1. When you have the wheel of the car deadstraight - the car is actually turning slightly to the right (just had an alignment about 5 weeks ago... need another?)

2. When braking heavily... and sometimes just driving along, the whole front end of the car shudders very violently. Especially through the steering wheel. What could that be?

Terminal Grand Master

Terminal

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My car still isn't fixed. my mech sourced 4 wheel bearings through nissan, and they only sent him 3. this is a disaster, i hope no one else has to go through this much pain to replace wheel bearings. this will cost me a fortune, but hopefully my car will run super smooth and quiet.

Sydneykid Grand Master

Sydneykid

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My car still isn't fixed. my mech sourced 4 wheel bearings through nissan, and they only sent him 3. this is a disaster, i hope no one else has to go through this much pain to replace wheel bearings. this will cost me a fortune, but hopefully my car will run super smooth and quiet.

Wheel bearings...... I have NEVER EVER replaced wheel bearings on a Skyline, they are monsters. I have seen cars with 300,000 k's still with good, original wheel bearings. Are you sure the problem was wheel bearings?

I have some more noobish questions for you all...

1. When you have the wheel of the car deadstraight - the car is actually turning slightly to the right (just had an alignment about 5 weeks ago... need another?)

2. When braking heavily... and sometimes just driving along, the whole front end of the car shudders very violently. Especially through the steering wheel. What could that be?

1. Hit anything recently? Are you sure it's not camber of the road, so that water runs into the gutter? Did they set it up with more caster on the left than the right? This helps to offset the road camber problem.

2. Sounds like warped brake rotors, have you had the run out checked lately?

:( cheers :(

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Terminal Grand Master

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Wheel bearings...... I have NEVER EVER replaced wheel bearings on a Skyline, they are monsters. I have seen cars with 300,000 k's still with good, original wheel bearings. Are you sure the problem was wheel bearings?

Yeah i'm sure it's the wheel bearings. they're shagged completely, making terrible noise and such. i've done almost 170,000km on my stagea. only 2 of them were busted, but i figured i'd replace all of them at the same time.

my odometer might not be accurate either with all the clocks being wound back (got it at 97,000)

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So I was looking at buying 'Low' King Springs for R33 GTS-T (Supposed to lower the Skyline by ~30mm). And I was aware they might be too light for the Stagea, so I looked to see what Nismo sold for rear of both cars in terms of weight.

Rear Springs Only: Stagea (lowers 20mm) 4.4kg/mm, R33 GTS-T (lowers 20mm) 4.8kg/mm

So the Skyline springs are heavier which isn't what I expected. I know different cars can have different Motion Ratio's from the recent Autospeed article (http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_2904/article.html), but these cars would be the same I would expect (sharing the suspension and all).

So why shouldn't I buy the R33 Kings....? Are they gonna lower the Stagea 30mm as specified for a Skyline, or more, or less? I'm thinking more..

humble Community Regular

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have a set of r33 gtr super lows which drop the gtr by 40mm. spring rate is 180lbs/in with was going to be OK based on previous calculation advise... these are for the front and from different peoples advise ( suspension shops) they have said that it would be OK although bit rough

for sale now.. never got on the car still in wrapping

going the group buy set up

Sydneykid Grand Master

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So I was looking at buying 'Low' King Springs for R33 GTS-T (Supposed to lower the Skyline by ~30mm). And I was aware they might be too light for the Stagea, so I looked to see what Nismo sold for rear of both cars in terms of weight.

Rear Springs Only: Stagea (lowers 20mm) 4.4kg/mm, R33 GTS-T (lowers 20mm) 4.8kg/mm

So the Skyline springs are heavier which isn't what I expected. I know different cars can have different Motion Ratio's from the recent Autospeed article (http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_2904/article.html), but these cars would be the same I would expect (sharing the suspension and all).

So why shouldn't I buy the R33 Kings....? Are they gonna lower the Stagea 30mm as specified for a Skyline, or more, or less? I'm thinking more..

OK, I’m confused.

You can’t use R33GTST rear springs in a Stagea, they don’t fit. The Stagea has smaller strut towers, presumably to give more load space. Plus Stagea rear springs are linear rate, not progressive.

Front springs wise, R33GTR physically fit and would be the closest in rate.

:wave: cheers :)

Spammeoff Contributor

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OK, I’m confused.

You can’t use R33GTST rear springs in a Stagea, they don’t fit. The Stagea has smaller strut towers, presumably to give more load space. Plus Stagea rear springs are linear rate, not progressive.

Front springs wise, R33GTR physically fit and would be the closest in rate.

:dry: cheers :D

Confusion on my part too then, I thought R33GTS-T rear springs fitted the rear of a Stagea. Stagea ones are tapered at the top right? I see from a pic that R33 rears are too.

So if the Skyline rears don't fit (just talking fit here, not rate suitability), what do?

Cheers.

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The geometry of the Stagea rear end is different. The cross member is definitely wider and the drive shafts are longer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the fulcrum points in the rear suspension are different therefore giving different leverage on the springs than in an R33 therefore the different spring rates.

The springs that fit are SK’s secret. You will have to ask him of buy them from him.

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