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In short there is no answer that will solve the problem, no matter what people suggest. Personally I would like to see anyone on P's in a reduced CC car i.e below 2.0 but that won't solve everything either. I started that way and worked up and am glad I did.

This information taken from the NSW Police website

SERIOUS MOTOR VEHICLE COLLISION – BAULKHAM HILLS

26 Novemver 2004

Police are investigating a serious motor vehicle collision at Baulkham Hills overnight.

About 11.45pm on Thursday 25 November 2004, a Suburu sedan was headed West along Norwest Boulevarde. The car then lost control, mounted the median strip and hit a tree.

The accident happened just beyond Solent Circuit. As a result of the accident the vehicle broke in two and caught fire.

The driver of the car, a 17-year-old unlicensed male, was trapped in the vehicle for a short time before being taken by ambulance to Westmead Hospital. He is in a stable condition suffering fractures to his right leg.

Norwest Boulevarde was closed for approximately 2 hours in both directions. Detectives from The Hills Local Area Command are continuing their inquiries.

EDIT - I don't know where the 30 year old male bit came from.

So there we have it, in a week 3 YOUNG drivers have caused 3 major accidents.

I think my thoughts are a little different to everyone else on this topic, I do however agree with many ideas and suggestions in relation to reducing the risk of these accidents.

My thought is that (from all the accidents on the media) is that its a problem of total self control. If you cant manage to control yourself behind the wheel of the car then thats where the problem lies, all these accidents have occured at rediculous speeds, the drivers unless they are complete idiots know that the potential to kill themselves and/or others is there when they are going 100k's + over the speed limit, it doesnt take a genius to figure out that 100k's over the limit = some stupid and crazy stuff.

If people learnt to control themselves (or more correctly their right foot) then a lot of these accidents wouldn't happen, as most of us would know however that it isnt just the younger drivers who do the stupid things, how many people here have had a medium to older aged person pull up next them in say a clubsport, monaro, whatever, and that person has had something to prove by giving it a boot full at the lights?

I agree with power to weight restrictions on p platers, although I do feel sorry for alot of they guys/gals on their p's who are safe and capable drivers who wont risk their own or others lives, but road awareness and pure experience is also essential, and this only comes with time.

But I believe that until cars come fitted with an 'anti dickhead' detector then these accidents will always occur.

Drive safe and keep it for the track, prove it there not on the roads.

So there we have it, in a week 3 YOUNG drivers have caused 3 major accidents.

Make that 4. Just saw on the 9 news that there was another severe accident in Bringelly. A P-plate driver crashed a silver MY00 WRX which also split in two. He survived but is in critical condition.

I live just up the rd, norwest bld has always been a drag strip for stupid p platers, one of my friend's lost it on one of the roundabouts and hit a pole, had 4 ppl in the car, luckily they all came out alive

Be careful that rd has alot of dips n turns, don't show off!

I have been more than interested in all of the attention given to the events of the last week.

I can relate..

I lost my brother who was also my best friend. In a car accident...............

I have also had to lay to rest two of my children (not car accidents)

I own and drive a Skyline (x 4) on a daily basis (and at high speed on a racetrack).

My son does the same (at high speed on a racetrack). My daughter drives both our Skylines regularly (at high speed (on a racetrack).

I know that I cannot change that they choose to drive the cars that they do, I do know that I can influence the way that they behave when they are driving............

As members of Skylines Australia we must all contribute to improved driver behaviour by demonstrating our responsibility/ accountability and insisting that our friends and family do the same.

I have never loved driving a car as much as I love driving a Skyline. I have never missed the ones that have gone more than now.........

You can help stop the carnage........

It's not what you've got it's how you use it!!!.....

and pass that on.

c*nts are always flipping the rexies....

I think reading post #50 just lowered my IQ. What a waste of electricity.

On the other hand I appreciate the point you make Bonkers. Parents have a responsibility to set a good example and show that high performance cars are safe when driven with the right attitude.

Peer pressure is probably a greater influence to younger drivers and I think we can all have a positive effect on those around us.

...Ben

i don't know about u guys, but has anyone noticed how young these guys were? ... some even unlicensed (was that a stolen car?)??

its so clearly an education and mentality thing.... why dont' people recognise that? no law will change what people think, only education will.

will putting power restrictions on p platers help keep young drivers safer - yes!

will training help young drivers - yes

will retesting drivers help - yes

will non p platers still hurt themselve in hi powered cars - yes

will young drivers who have 4 cylinder bombs still speed (i did) - yes

Basically, the idiots are gonna be idiots no matter what.

Almost everyone here has probably done something silly like giving it too much gas out of a corner....or something else over the years of driving, maybe on p plate or maybe just yesterday. We gotta remember we are not bullet proof, take it easy and safe it for the race track.

There is no one solution. Its a mix of different ideas that will help minimise the idiots that get behind a wheel.

my 2 cents

people are going to crash cars and die no matter what sort of education or training u ging them. and some of them, a small fraction will die driving high performance cars at extreamily high speed down roads that wernt ment for that speed. its a fact. even if u took away all the cars on the road and made people catch trains, trains still crash and people still die.

Its very sad that people die, in car crashes. i was a lucky one. i was going too fast down yanko road in the north shore and crashed into a telegraph pole at about 100KM/h, with 2 mates in the car. this was in a 1.8L NA car, a subi impreser gx. and not a week later there was nother person on a bmw that killed himself on the same pole that i hit. unfortunatly he wasnt as luck as me and my mates.

Although this was a extramly tramatic experiance, im glad i had it because it taught me more that i could ever read in a stupid 50 page book, or what ever i could learn on a skid pan, and that is dont excead the limits of the car or the road.

skylines are made for speed, but sydney roads arnt. And until people experiance this in their own way, either finding out the hard way like i did, or some how reading bout someone elses crash, accident will never stop happening.

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