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building cars / running businesses are separate things

there are a couple of bad stories about ICE going around, but this thread isn't a place to discuss this.

My main complaint about ice are that they are not very professional. They just say "the car will be done when it's done, and we'll call you". If you go to Amberleys or Rank Rotary (though they don't tune power fc) or race pace. They are much more professional and organised (from experiences with myself and friends), and will say "pick it up on ... and it'll be done"

Rank Rotary and Amberley are more a shop like a car dealer where you drop off your car and pick it up and everything is done as fast as possible. Half the time you dont know what was actually done and they are very stiff when it come to getting information off them if you are not paying $$ for it.

Ben tuned my old RB20DET Cefiro with PFC.

I had no probs with it, the knock reading rarely went over 30 on 30degree days!!

Also i have heard good stories of the new tuner from Chasers.

And there are plenty of bad stories of workshops. Most are chinese whispers, and 4,5,6th hand info.

But Racepace all the way for RB, SR tuning.

they are all performance workshops, I fail to see the difference, amberley and rank will charge top dollar, i'm not denying that, but they seem alot more professional, and I feel more confident leaving my car there.

If a mechanic/workshop won't give me information on what they did, I just won't pay them until they tell me!!!!!! :lol:

I wouldnt go calling someone that can build a 10 sec GTR with over 600rwkw  and similair Supra as amateurs. <_<

Really has nothing to do with it, I have seen that car in the flesh. At the end of the day anyone with the time and money can build such a car. Give Ben the same car, same parts and you would have most likely seen an even better car. I didn’t mean to say ICE are amateurs, they have been tuning imports for quite a few years now. When compared to RacePace Motorsport they look like amateurs in my opinion.

i never thought i'd see the day you'd raise a while flag :D

just had enough "workshop this" "workshop that"

when 99% of those are just bullsh|t stories to begin with, or a minor incident blown out of proportion.

Times change, people change... and so do business's

that is all

What are you talking about? If you like ICE and are offended with what I have said, sorry but get over it please … it’s an opinion.

I aint offended mate. :D

Just hope ur opinion is not going off 4th and 5th hand information as it tends to happen off forums.

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