Sport Compact Rule Change Submissions

[Swiper the Fox]

Please state the following rule no./no's you have concerns about or idea's for improvement and they will be forwarded on. please leave discussion out so we are a bit clearer on what you would actually like looked at.

Edited November 23, 2005 by DiRTgarage

[Swiper the Fox]

OK ill start it off.

SR,SF, rule 6.1

Interior: Complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner etc., mandatory. Rear seat may be removed. Two matching front seats mandatory. Aftermarket seats permitted, but must be fully upholstered. All factory controls must be retained and operative; i.e., lights, signals, horn, windows and wipers. Refer ANDRA General Regulations 4.6.1.

Changed to read the following....

SR,SF, rule 6.1

Interior: Complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner etc., mandatory. Rear seat may be removed. Two matching front seats mandatory, or in the case of driving racing seat fitted for cars running 9.99 or quicker (as per ANDRA General Regulations 4.6.1.), it must be fully upholstered and original OEM passenger seat or matching racing seat fitted. All factory controls must be retained and operative; i.e., lights, signals, horn, windows and wipers. Refer ANDRA General Regulations 4.6.1.

Edited November 24, 2005 by DiRTgarage

[DoughBoy]

I'm not sure if the current classes need altering or if another class needs to be implemented. Although it could be argued that the ET1 and ET2 classes can and will cater for any cars outside the current rules, maybe something like a quick 16 heads up class could also be introduced?

Are people satisfied with DYO? Due to the lack of consistency with any late model turbo cars is it really necessary? At the end of the day with the current ruels there's a field cutoff, so the slower cars are not going to be in the field. So then you are left with the quickest cars duking it out... but to a DYO rule.

Personally I'd like to see a heads up class catering for street registered running radial tyres and realistic weight limits. Given the current crop of Skylines racing there are already 8 cars running within a second of each other, which would make for some pretty competitive racing. Adding other late model cars then there's easily a 16 car field, if you stretch it a bit there's over 32 cars that could make the field.

Just think, a 32 car field of late model street cars running heads up between 9.5 to 11.x seconds - with the lack of consistency and breakages it really could be anyone's race. Add a decent prize money pool + I'm sure alot of people would be interested in running this class.

In 6 months I wouldn't be surprised to see 16 cars all in the 9.5 to 10.0 range, hell even on SAU there'd be at least 8.

[MrBlonde]

I don't understand the reason why drag racing slicks are not allowed in Sport RWD, et al. S/ST allows slicks, why not SR, SF? It is drag racing after all, not sit and spin.

[DoughBoy]

I think because it's a street orientated class, hence full trim, exhaust etc.

[1JZ.747]

I'm not sure if the current classes need altering or if another class needs to be implemented. Although it could be argued that the ET1 and ET2 classes can and will cater for any cars outside the current rules, maybe something like a quick 16 heads up class could also be introduced?

Are people satisfied with DYO? Due to the lack of consistency with any late model turbo cars is it really necessary? At the end of the day with the current ruels there's a field cutoff, so the slower cars are not going to be in the field. So then you are left with the quickest cars duking it out... but to a DYO rule.

Personally I'd like to see a heads up class catering for street registered running radial tyres and realistic weight limits. Given the current crop of Skylines racing there are already 8 cars running within a second of each other, which would make for some pretty competitive racing. Adding other late model cars then there's easily a 16 car field, if you stretch it a bit there's over 32 cars that could make the field.

Just think, a 32 car field of late model street cars running heads up between 9.5 to 11.x seconds - with the lack of consistency and breakages it really could be anyone's race. Add a decent prize money pool + I'm sure alot of people would be interested in running this class.

In 6 months I wouldn't be surprised to see 16 cars all in the 9.5 to 10.0 range, hell even on SAU there'd be at least 8.

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it will always be dyo,

dyo is harder racing than head up any way, you have to think about it way more.

[wrxkilla]

if you want slicks go race in Sports Mod!!!!

[wrxkilla]

also if are satisfied with dyo or not, it will stay until we have consitant fields...

which in our country wont happen...

[BU5TER]

if you want slicks go race in Sports Mod!!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

so so true, you want lighter min weights race in sports mod, you want slicks yep sports mod allows that aswell all in all everything you guys are asking for other then heads up is in sports mod maybe instead of whinging about the rules of srwd step up and race in sports mod that already has everything your asking for

I myslef am looking forward to racing in srwd I have built the car with the rules in mind every step of the way

[Sydneykid]

SPORT RWD – DYO - CLASS REGULATIONS

Class Designations: SRWD followed by driver’s competition number.

Sport Rear Wheel Drive is designed for full-bodied, street type cars using all wheel drive, rear wheel drive and street orientated tyres.

Minimum Weights:

2 Rotor – 2300 pounds/ 1045kg

4 Cylinder RWD – 2300 pounds/ 1045kg

4 Cylinder AWD – 2400 pounds/ 1090kg

6 Cylinder RWD – 3100 pounds/ 1409kg

6 Cylinder AWD – 3200 pounds/ 1454kg

Non-original OEM transmission permitted (e.g. Power glide in a Supra), but will be assigned a 150 pound penalty

Having had a look at the standard weights for R32/33/34 GTST and GTR I would like to change that to;

Minimum Weights:

2 Rotor – 2300 pounds/ 1045kg

3 Rotor – 3000 pounds/ 1360kg

4 Cylinder RWD – 2300 pounds/ 1045kg

4 Cylinder AWD – 2400 pounds/ 1090kg

6 Cylinder RWD – 3000 pounds/ 1360kg

6 Cylinder AWD – 3200 pounds/ 1454kg

Non-original OEM transmission permitted (e.g. Power glide in a Supra), but will be assigned a 220 pound penalty (100kgs)

I believe that the 94 kgs is a much fairer/more accurate reflection of the weight and performance separation between 2wd and 4wd.

It means a straight off the street R32GTST with an 85 kg driver doesn't have to carry ballast.

R33GTST and R34GTT would make that weight with the common/relatively inexpensive weight reductions and an 85kg driver.

I have added 3 rotor, because someone seems to have forgotten about Cosmos with the standard 20B.

The current penalty for a non OEM gearbox of 150 lbs is nowhere near the achievable performance gain and we should be encouraging the use of OEM parts wherever possible.

cheers

PS; Personally I don't care that Supra's will have trouble making that weight limit, they have a 3 litre engine to make up for it.

Edited November 24, 2005 by Sydneykid

[1JZ.747]

PS; Personally I don't care that Supra's will have trouble making that weight limit, they have a 3 litre engine to make up for it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

personally i dont care about light wieght r32 skylines, eat mcdonalds get fat and race in our class. or go sport mod.

maybe we should change the class name from sport rwd to r32gtst rwd.

seriously, is this class all about skylines.

shane.

[DoughBoy]

The current penalty for a non OEM gearbox of 150 lbs is nowhere near the achievable performance gain and we should be encouraging the use of OEM parts wherever possible.

cheers

PS; Personally I don't care that Supra's will have trouble making that weight limit, they have a 3 litre engine to make up for it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dude you're a goose, there are a few ways to look at that ruling. One is that the cars are meant to be "street" cars, and should be running stock gearboxes. Another is by restricting the transmissions allowed will encourage cheaper parts.

The reality is that the only OEM parts used by the majority of the qualifying field is the outside case. So a $10,000 PPG box is "worse" than a $4,000 Powerglide? From a breakage point of view too the Powerglide will be cheaper to run and maintain than a dog box. How is that a realistic rule?

[blk180]

SK wouldnt you be runing an rb31 with a rb25 box wouldnt this come under non-oem trans. if you have a OEM box full of PPg gear are u still hit with the weight penalty

Edited November 24, 2005 by blk180

[DoughBoy]

That's the point, it's classed as an OEM trans and legal engine combination so no weight penalty applies.

I think it's a bit rediculous where there are a million posts promoting how much "cheaper" and "better" an RB30 combination is over a regular 25 or 26... yet when it comes to a ruling the "cheaper" and "better" alternative is dismissed as it's not in your favor.

[wrxkilla]

so so true, you want lighter min weights race in sports mod, you want slicks yep sports mod allows that aswell all in all everything you guys are asking for other then heads up is in sports mod maybe instead of whinging about the rules of srwd step up and race in sports mod that already has everything your asking for

I myslef am looking forward to racing in srwd I have built the car with the rules in mind every step of the way

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Im happy someone else sees it that way.

thanks Brett.

There is a class there with super light weights , slicks, and allows a whole lot more things.

The Sport/Rwd is aimed at the Street/Drag Cars. Street being the emphasis.

whats wrong with some of the big piston cars? too scared to race some rotors in sport mod?

Mick

[Swiper the Fox]

Please state the following rule no./no's you have concerns about or idea's for improvement and they will be forwarded on. please leave discussion out so we are a bit clearer on what you would actually like looked at.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

As per quote above...can we have a clear direction here....???

[MrBlonde]

I think because it's a street orientated class, hence full trim, exhaust etc.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I understand that, but like I said Super Street (S/ST) is the regular ANDRA street class equivalent, and slicks are fine in that class. So what's the difference?

[MrBlonde]

if you want slicks go race in Sports Mod!!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am racing in Sport Mod ...

[MrBlonde]

so so true, you want lighter min weights race in sports mod, you want slicks yep sports mod allows that aswell all in all everything you guys are asking for other then heads up is in sports mod maybe instead of whinging about the rules of srwd step up and race in sports mod that already has everything your asking for

I myslef am looking forward to racing in srwd I have built the car with the rules in mind every step of the way

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Welcome to Sport RWD, the class for street cars.

Because all street cars have welded in six point roll cages, parachutes, tailshaft loops, ballistc blankets on the bellhousing, external battery isolator switches, five point harnesses and wheel studs.

:-)

Edited November 24, 2005 by MrBlonde

[BU5TER]

Welcome to Sport RWD, the class for street cars.

Because all street cars have welded in six point roll cages, parachutes, tailshaft loops, ballistc blankets on the bellhousing, external battery isolator switches, five point harnesses and wheel studs.

:-)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And the problem with that is???