Snowman

Who has run the genuine medium semi's on a GT-R before? As in either the dunlop mediums (propper mediums - not the hard mediums) or the RE55 TT's on a GT-R before? I was just curious as to what kind of distances they gave before "going off". I've heard it is as little as 5km's but I don't know of anyone that has actually tried.

I asked ages back and was told no. I then re-asked when the offical Series 2 in Japan and USA got the Dunlops for the premiums instead of the Bridgestones whether the same would follow suit for Oz and was told "we haven't got a clue". Only time will tell.

Unfortunately I no longer have my Nokia so I can't use the race-chrono software. But I did a bit of searching around and I found another application that works on any phone with java capabilities. It's no where near as cool as race chrono but it is better than nothing. I did a quick test and it seems to work well as a lap timer but it just doesn't have the cool google earth / excel functions. http://www.gpslaptiming.com/page.php?id=7〈=eng Just thought someone out there may be interested in a cheap lap timer.

No - I just said that was what they were aiming to get it too. I think you'll find that the different rounds will be different prices (I expect for example Vic may be the most $$$ due to the cost of hiring PI) and W.A. to be the cheapest - but again thats just a guess - I haven't actually heard anything official.

Ok - but what is it going to be like in 3-4 years time? The same thing or is the plan to always keep the sub 2002 cars together and not bring the later model EVO's and porka's in? aka - stop revolving the class dates and kind of fix them where they are now? This is the reasons for my question originally. Just say someone wanted to get into this sport but doesn't have the coin for something like an RS porsche and can't justify getting involved with the modern catagories. They could look at the eary modern or else look at something cheap but competative in classics - like what Ben has done with the R32 GTS-T. Now in a couple of years the same could be said for something like an R33 GTST if the class dates keep moving - it could be a good thing and something you could put together for not much coin (or a 2jz supra!). But if someone was to go to the effort of doing that they be PISSED if suddenly the decision came in that R32-R33 GTR's were now eligable because an R32 GTR could be put together for similar coin. It's a catch twenty two - because whilst you say classics entries will drop for some classic guys if those cars do go in, eventually all the turbo AWD guys will go too if they have no where to play either!

This is a cool little link - a kinda 2009 rules for dummies video - http://link.brightcove.com/services/player...tid=10497901001

But then that's my point with roving classes. If the classes change with each year (effectively moving up a year each year) then there should be a cycle where every dog has it's day. Bascally as is the case with modern. I mean we may have now seen the end of the EVO dominance (Glenny aside but look at the TWP results) and who would have thought that would be the case 2 years ago when they were filling more than 50% of the top 10 places in some rallies. But it just means that late classics would now start to be dominated by turbo awd's - just as the modern would have been 20 years ago had it existed back then. In 3 years time early classic will be filled with Carrera RS' where they will no doubt dominate so why not give them a few years of hardship as well? Even if these cars were forced to run under modern regs but could compete in classics it would be a better solution than banishing them off completely.

By all accounts the price will be pretty sharp too. (They have been aiming towards $1500.00 per team) I'll definitely be doing Vic (in the new toy) and probably W.A. in the boyfriends new toy but I'd really like a crack at NSW too - I've been talking to the boys a fair bit over the last few months about all of these changes and some of the NSW stuff sounds great. Having a crack at the WRC super special stage would be an amazing experience.

But the fact remains that this principle of banishing these cars means you are effectively writting them off from ever being competative again - which if you ask me is a shame as they WERE the pinicle in automotive technology at their time. Personally I feel that on the condition the classes were kept on a moving scale this would give all cars really a chance to be at the top of each catagory for a period of time before perhaps slowly being shuffled down the list as new technologies come into each class. But the fact is some of the greatest and most influential cars ever made are never going to be able to show how good they were in their era. Cars like the R32 GTR, the RS2000 and the Delta will never get the chance to show how much better they were in certain circumstances over their same generation rivals and yet those cars have been majorly influencial in the direction of many sportscars over the last 20 years. But as things stand there will be no point what so ever in looking into owning one of those great cars for the purpose of Tarmac rallying because they will have no place - all so we can keep a few porsche drivers happy hey!

This is my point. It seems vehicles are being unfairly penalised for being too good. Well at least better than it's competition. If this is the case then why bother having age determining classes at all? If it is all in the end being technology driven then why not have classes based on technology only? At least then people won't be buying a car based upon the fact that they think in X years it will be in the top of it's class only to be duped on what can really only be someone's whim!

So is that to say Stu that even in 4 years time the R32 GTR's and early EVO's will be forced to compete against cars technically superior cars where as a 993 GT2 will be allowed under classics because it is 2WD? What about in 10 years time? There has to eventually be a point where it gets conceeded that early Turbo AWD technology just doesn't stack up to modern technology. Because even the newly introduced "Early Modern" catagory (which I applaud the concept of) seems a bit vague in that for what ever reasons some of the cars technically eligable for that catagory are still found in full Modern (Matt Close for example). It just seems confusing to me that some vehicles are being penalised simply for being better than their rivals at the time! I mean if someone wins the 1st 6 races of a GP2 season they aren't going to say "Sorry you are too good so we are going to make you race against the F1's now but in this car".

So - at what point do we expect the rules for classics will allow Turbo AWD cars in? The max classics age is already up to 1991 this year and yet GT-R's are still banned. I think EVO's started being produced in 92? and WRX's in 94. Eventually they are going to have to let them in I presume but at what point is that going to be? But it is almost to the point now where it is pointless even thinking about owning certain cars for rallies, but then if they do get let in then it will make others redundant. What's everyones thoughts?

There are already 2 in Melbourne that have applied for it (Cobb Pro software) that I know of - and I believe it all should be turning up in the next couple of weeks. But I think the Cobb will be the Power FC of the R35 world. It's certainly what I'll be using.

A mate of mine is taking media pics of it on Wed - will see if I can get a couple.

Rubbish - I get the full thing. But I wasn't saying the recipents are stupid - I'm saying the people who think it is free money are stupid. I personally wish that since we have to get it that this could be like a credit card where we all have the option of paying back our stimulus in X number of days and then we won't get charged any interest on it. But we don't have that option and so we are all going to get financially raped over it. Stupid.

The Lambo's and maybe the Daytona's - but the R35 is right up there for sure. Buggered if I know how to embed a video so here's a quick link to Tony's car in action - Not sure if this was on the same set of tyres he used for TWP but if so it is even more impressive given that will be 3 tarmac rallies he's done on the one set of rubber.

There is no free money you idiots. We are going to have to pay for it and in the end we will pay MORE than what we get given. Short term gain but long term loss. It's a stupid concept by stupid people for stupid people.

We run a Y piece off the dip-stick tube and feed back into that.

I'd like to nominate Old Man Wayne for Pres. And I second the nom for Rosco.

Good luck Kel and keep it out of the bushes!

Wasn't the one in 2F2F silver rather than blue? (I think maybe had blue cobra stripes and blue neons though or something).

How many people here think they saw Ash light one? I'm pretty sure right now I did....

Um.... this is CAMS you are discussing here. They don't need a reason to be stupid.

I certainly wouldn't rely on a TOMTOM etc for actual speed sections as there are far too many "off the road in the bush" readings for it to be reliable. But for recce's and transport stages they are awesome I reckon. As a slight side topic - I think these crazy fires here in Vic may have cliamed a very minor victim in the scale of things in the April Lake Mountian rally. For anyone that has been there it is just impossible to fathom right now that Marysville is gone from the map. But with it I'm sure goes the rally. I know a few people that have lost places up there on the weekend but thankfully they are ok. However they have all lost friends which is tragic. My thoughts go out to everyone effected in the area.

The Winner Takes It All?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Z2gR-lOXY