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wrxhoon Grand Master

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Hi guys I still haven’t been able to source the parts for the xenon conversion.. Does anyone know some who complies r34’s that can change mine back to xenon...?

Read post 10, i'm not sure that you will be able to reconvert , depends on what they did .

More than likely you cant , if i see your lights i can tell you if you can ...

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Michael_1882 Mentor

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I recently bought HID's from a group buy for $200 and fitted them myself. That sucks if you can't get them back. But if that is the case i would just wait around for another group buy and get them through that.

But yeah HID's make a huge difference!

Mr Italy! Proficient

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I recently bought HID's from a group buy for $200 and fitted them myself. That sucks if you can't get them back. But if that is the case i would just wait around for another group buy and get them through that.

But yeah HID's make a huge difference!

But isnt that just the Xenon light? I'd imagine the whole light assembly would be much better then just chucking a xenon light into an assembly where its built to refract/reflect normal bulb light? I'd much prefer the whole light assembly if i could get my hands on some!

Im no expert and i havent done science in a while, so dont qoute me on that.

Michael_1882 Mentor

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Yeah it was just the globe, and ballasts.

Obviously it woudl work better in the proper housing i mean it woudl be designed to project HID's

I'm not sure on the importing topic i didn't think they woudl change the light assembly??? And wack in a normal Halogen?

adznight Newbie

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OK, I had mine complied and I pulled the out myself because I checked the way they convert them and from what I see there is no way to convert back to Xenon. They remove the power packs (transformers/ballasts) and modify the light housing at the rear end to run a wire for the halogens as the power packs feed into the light housing internally, bit of a fu(k round really. I fitted poxy 34 halogen lights, yeah I had to change the plugs on the loom but wasn't very hard.

Depending on what Xenon’s you have it will make a difference to whether it is worth the trouble. The light the stock Xenon's give off, while nice and white is a little dim. I would love to get a brighter set of bulbs for mine but can't justify the cost.

SAU Vic members can purchase Xenon upgrade kits from Philips for the 34's as we are sponsored by them, maybe check out the Philips kits?

Another option is to look for another person brining in a 34 and swap the lights before compliance…….or threaten to dob the compliance agent in unless they give them back as they are breaking the SEVS rules :D They SHOULD be destroyed but hey..

If you need any info on the stock Xenon’s or photo’s etc of the assembly let me know.

Cheers.

PS - Attached is a pic (hard to see sorry) of the 34 Halogen lamps.

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wrxhoon Grand Master

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The light the stock Xenon's give off, while nice and white is a little dim.

I think there is something wrong with your lights if you say the stock xenons are dim, mine are very bright!

Michael_1882 Mentor

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They don't change the light assembly - therefore R34 GTT/GTR headlight units are meant for HID bulb light output.

(They even have the XENON label imprinted on the reflector).

There you go if you can't get them of the complice dude just get a kit for $200 next group buy, or msg Bankids to see if he has any left over. And you should be set!

Mr Italy! Proficient

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Oh shit i was always under the impression the whole light assembly was changed to a non-xenon one.

If its true that the light assembly stays, and they just remove the Xenon light globe, just go out and buy a new light globe. Easy as. Much cheaper then the $700 ransom your being held under.

R34NRG Grand Master

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Oh shit i was always under the impression the whole light assembly was changed to a non-xenon one.

If its true that the light assembly stays, and they just remove the Xenon light globe, just go out and buy a new light globe. Easy as. Much cheaper then the $700 ransom your being held under.

are u sure they just change the bulb....cuz that woulld be okai....bulbs are nothing....if they change the whole assembly....thats another issue....how can one tell?

wrxhoon Grand Master

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Oh shit i was always under the impression the whole light assembly was changed to a non-xenon one.

If its true that the light assembly stays, and they just remove the Xenon light globe, just go out and buy a new light globe. Easy as. Much cheaper then the $700 ransom your being held under.

Hmm it's not as simple as that dude, if it was everyone would just replace the globe ...

They take the balast off ( under the light assembly) they cut the wiring that goes from another balast ( inside the h/light assembly) to the globe and finaly they replace the globe with a halogen .

To reconvert you need hte balast ( easy) but the hard part is to run a wire from the little balast ( inside the assemly) to the globe and get another plug . This is impossible to do because they cut the wire so close to the little balast inside that you can't get to it unless you pull the h/l assembly apart ( pull the front off) so you can get to the little balast inside...

R34NRG Grand Master

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To reconvert you need hte balast ( easy) but the hard part is to run a wire from the little balast ( inside the assemly) to the globe and get another plug . This is impossible to do because they cut the wire so close to the little balast inside that you can't get to it unless you pull the h/l assembly apart ( pull the front off) so you can get to the little balast inside...

impossible?.......unless i pull the assembly apart...far out that some work....damnet.....can someone list or post a few places that will do his sort of job cheap?

SS8_Gohan Grand Master

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I bought a HID kit from BATMBL, check the for sale section, maybe the traders/supporters section.

Kit includes globes and ballast.

R34's have 2 light assemblies, Halogen (some 4doors and non-turbo's) and the Xenon assembly (Turbo, GTR, etc, possibly GTV)

Apparently there is a company in Sydney that does a conversion to the Xenon assembly so compliance places don't have to buy a set of Halogen assemblies.

You lose the OEM ballast and globes. And this company is then meant to destroy the parts. I believe it's 'Grey Imports' (Sydney, not QLD)

I don't know what they charge the compliance workshops, but i guess it's cheaper than buying a Halogen assembly.

I have yet to fit the BATMBL HID kit, but i've been told it includes everything i need, that i lost when my lights were replaced with halogen globes (but still the Xenon assembly)

The compliance halogens are SHOCKING, night driving would be so much safer with the OEM Xenon's. It's a joke, it's about making the cars compliant with ADR's, and some of the rules just make them more friggen dangerous to drive :dry: - compliance tyres instead of top of the line, high performance jap tyres that don't have a friggen dot?? pathetic...

Michael_1882 Mentor

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Yeah it's not as easy as jsut replacing the light. As mentioned above there is ballasts involved in driving the HID globes.

So i would sujest for get abotu utilising the factory balasts (pulling the h/l appart or w/e was mention)

And jsut put innew ballats the kits will come with two new ones and two globes for liek $200 so really theres no need to pull it apart, just wack in the whole new HID kit.

All you will have to do is put in the new HID wich is as simple as putting in a new globe. mabe cutting a slightly bigger hole in the plastic cap on the back of the h/l (easy as piss) and then wiring in the balasts.

Easy as man.

I dunno about the R34 mabe someone can help him out and let us knwo what type of globe it will need?

H1??? H4???? etc

MANWHOR3 Proficient

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Just sticking an aftermarket xenon kit into a 'converted' r34 xenon housing produces a totally shit result. Yes, the light was really white, and it was clearly a lot brighter too. But the problem is utlising this brightness. That is, getting the light to go onto the road where it's supposed to be, and not going into the eyes of on coming traffic.

The stock r34 xenons have a very clear cut off for reflectors (of course projectors have a much cleaner cutoff). They put all of the light down onto the road, and thus, give you more light to see, and glare oncoming traffic less.

With this aftermarket kit, it basically didn't have a cutoff. The light would be scattered up. just driving along the road, even thought the headlights were pointed down, all the road signs would glow neon. This is a similar result that I got from putting a xenon kit into my r33 halogen housing.

Basically, when it comes to xenons, you have to trust me. I've mucked around with xenons so much and wasted so much money.

MANWHOR3 Proficient

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imo, stick with the oem unit. With other parts, yes, aftermarket is better. But with lighting, you generally (note, generally) cannot beat oem.

I have wasted over$1k on several different kits, and several different bulbs trying to 'correct' this problem.

reflector housings normally use a d2r bulb which has a painted ring around it to stop light scatter in a reflector (does not have the cutoff shield of a projector). My first kit came with a d2s bulb - designed for projectors and does nto have this ring. Initially, I attributed the glare to the lack of this ring.

I purchased another kit, which had the ring. Didn't help one bit. I learnt that this is only for motorists driving towards you, so they can't see the light source when driving passed the headlight from the side.

I have tried different brands of bulbs to no avail.

What you'll notice, is that aftermarket xenons are like a placebo effect. You think that they're fully sick and heaps brighter because they're so white, and yes, they have the potential to be brighter.

Once you see all the light scattered all over the place and how little actualyl gets ontot he road, imo, waste of time.

Halogen projectors are no better. Installing the kit into an r32 projector was ok in the cutoff department - that is, no scatter. But, the light output compared to an accord euro or a lexus gs300 - when parked next to each other, was like night and day.

Once again, stick with oem.

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SS8_Gohan Grand Master

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hmm... not being filled with much confidence putting in the Kaixen kit into my R34 then...

manwhor3: u ever try the Kaixen kits that BATMBL is selling?

So you're saying that even though my headlight assembly is designed for Xenons, putting in an aftermarket ballast and globe will still produce a scattered result?

hey marcus! good to see that project is still coming along - results should be mint :ermm:

despite the hassle of taking off the front bumper to put these xenons in, is there anything i need to keep a close eye on when putting them in? I'm not really car savy, and don't want to break anything... is it still something a newb could do? change the halogens over to Xenons?

cheers,

daniel

adznight Newbie

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I think there is something wrong with your lights if you say the stock xenons are dim, mine are very bright!

My battery is totaly farked, if I leave the car to sit for a week or so I trouble starting it. Possibly not enough current for the lights but I'd be surprised seeing they use a step up transformer/ballast.

Or you may have differnt bulbs, never know huh.

I find them bright but what I mean is the throw of the light is pretty poor.

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