Sizzler Hr31 Returns To Oz.

[Beer Baron]

hell yeah. that car we are riding with seems to have a massive grunt problem. the ol rb20 blows past like he's standing still.

[88silhouette]

So he still hasnt sold it. Its been advertised for years that car. Will be good to see it hit the track again.

How good is the sound of the RB20 over the V8 down the back straight...

brilliant find mate!!!

[Starionturbo]

that sound makes me proud to have a RB20

[Jetwreck]

The SIZZLER has landed....saw it today....looks hot....can't wait to see it race...common Oran Park.

[31GUN]

As long as they take the poofy mufflers off!

Hooks

[Jetwreck]

OK....I'll talk to Chris....as long as you were the Winfield outfit.....lol

You know it shows all your curves....you spunk!!!!

[lotus1]

Here are a few pics i stole of the the #9 ANZ Rouse/Moffat Sierra from 1987 that is back in NSW. It seems the owner is planning on restoring it

There was also a guy that was floating around on SAU for a week or two looking for information on the Murray Carter NetComm DR30 that he had just purchased. I seem to think he started restoring it around Nov 2005. I wish i had the cash to buy the DR30 that is for sale in Melbourne at the moment. The asking price seems reasonable

Roy the Sierra is the #10 Eggenberger Moffat Sierra that ran only 4 races in its career - Bathurst 89 to 92

The NetComm DR30 is slowly being restored

[Roy]

What i really want to know is does anyone have the history of the Win Percy/Allan Grice R31 that was run in the UK in 88? I have looked everywhere and spoken to lots of people. Short of an acquaintance that speaks with percy from time to time regarding some histpric tarmac stuff....i have no idea on where to start to track down the car. All i know is its a Nismo car out of Japan as opposed to the Gibson cars that always were quickly developed using local gear and know how (LOL, so probably slower)

[342Four]

man that rb20 on full song sounded awesome

that torana had serious performance issues

[88silhouette]

g'day roy

i've often thought how the jap hr31 would fare against the gibson hr31

[Roy]

Would be interesting. My 2c is that the '90 R31 would be the quickest, simply because it had the better gearboxes and they were competitive in OZ. My take is we had the most competitive cars in the category

[fatz]

mmm r31 mmmmm

[88silhouette]

get out there that weekend pete

ask the missus to loosen the leash

[djr81]

What i really want to know is does anyone have the history of the Win Percy/Allan Grice R31 that was run in the UK in 88? I have looked everywhere and spoken to lots of people. Short of an acquaintance that speaks with percy from time to time regarding some histpric tarmac stuff....i have no idea on where to start to track down the car. All i know is its a Nismo car out of Japan as opposed to the Gibson cars that always were quickly developed using local gear and know how (LOL, so probably slower)

Well for my 10 cents I don't think that the Gibson cars gave second best to anyone in terms of build quality & speed. The 32 proved that & the 31's were produced by the same people. Plus Freddo's cars had some useful cheater components, like the dodgy front spoiler & the intercooler as a start....

It must have been '88 that Grice turned up to Bathurst driving a Commodore in a Nissan racesuit! My vague recollection was the the Bathurst yearbooks (Not the Great Race annuals, the other ones) had a brief rundown of the ETCC, but not a great writeup on the Nissan's.

BTW, how is Win Percy nowadays. Last time I heard he had badly hurt his back?

[bubba]

Looks like that sierra is in the guys loungeroom.. these oldschool cars make me hard in the pants!

[Roy]

Well for my 10 cents I don't think that the Gibson cars gave second best to anyone in terms of build quality & speed. The 32 proved that & the 31's were produced by the same people. Plus Freddo's cars had some useful cheater components, like the dodgy front spoiler & the intercooler as a start....

It must have been '88 that Grice turned up to Bathurst driving a Commodore in a Nissan racesuit! My vague recollection was the the Bathurst yearbooks (Not the Great Race annuals, the other ones) had a brief rundown of the ETCC, but not a great writeup on the Nissan's.

BTW, how is Win Percy nowadays. Last time I heard he had badly hurt his back?

I was actually suggesting the ETCC R31, and the JTCC R31s would be slower. I think you can say we had very quick M3s in our series and Sierras that were easily on pace with the Eurpopean Sierras. In fact i would say our Sierras in 88/89 were the quickest in the world. So the GSR R31 keeping pace tells me that they could have been superior to the facotry Nismo cars. I know parts off GMS cars found their way back to Nismo japan cars.

As far as i know Percy is still running around doing historic stuff and loving it. I hope if i get grubby under their cars often enough our paths may cross....i am such a stalker

[djr81]

I was actually suggesting the ETCC R31, and the JTCC R31s would be slower. I think you can say we had very quick M3s in our series and Sierras that were easily on pace with the Eurpopean Sierras. In fact i would say our Sierras in 88/89 were the quickest in the world. So the GSR R31 keeping pace tells me that they could have been superior to the facotry Nismo cars. I know parts off GMS cars found their way back to Nismo japan cars.

As far as i know Percy is still running around doing historic stuff and loving it. I hope if i get grubby under their cars often enough our paths may cross....i am such a stalker

Ah, ok, my mistake. As far as I know Frank Gardiner's M3 owed pretty much all the mechanical stuff to the factory. There wasn't much of what you might call local development - just tuning. As for the Sierra, well in '87 ours were an embarrasment (Other than Mad Andrew Miedecke spelling!) but by '88 DJR & others had their act together. Moffat's were always imports, ie Rouse built for '87 & Eggenberger from then on. Brock's were Rouse cars.

A mate of mine worked for a dealership owned and/or managed by John Clelands brother. He bailed him (john) up one day about the 92 or 93 Bathurst race when Brocks tailshafts leapt into the cabin & scared 7 shades of shite out of him. The in car of that is priceless. Cleland also tells a very good story about him winding Kim Jones up about having to drive in piss stained overalls.

[Roy]

Even the early DJR Sierras were ring ins. In the later years the PJR and DJR were local brew cars. But the B&H cars were typically recycled shells out of Europe with latest spec parts thrown at them as they became available. I also seem to recall in 91/92 they had some local parts homologated for them to help fight the Nissan/Ford/Holdens. Whether they were homologated in all the series or just OZ in dont know. I know their weights were played with

When the local boys ventured OS a few times with good results considering. I would love to get footage of the ETCC but there doesnt appear to be any vids/dvds of the series

[djr81]

If I remember rightly some of the Euro chassis caused their Australian owners no end of trauma. Things like relocated suspension pick up points, modified inner guards etc etc. Stuff that is difficult to put right in a hurry.

Yeah info on the ETCC is hard to find. If you can get a copy of Brock/Moffat On the road to Spa it is a worthwhile investnent for the Group A tragic.

But try www.pitstop.net.au

http://www.pitstop.net.au/view/dvds-car-touring-cars/

Have a look at their DVD selection from Duke videos. Covers the ETCC for 83, 84, 85, 86 & 88. Obviously with the '87 WTCC is wasn't so interesting. They are $40 each, but & run for a couple hours each.

[floody]

I'll make a guess that the ETCC car is quite probably one of the early Reebok/Hasemi cars, given it has the same rims.

I was actually suggesting the ETCC R31, and the JTCC R31s would be slower. I think you can say we had very quick M3s in our series and Sierras that were easily on pace with the Eurpopean Sierras. In fact i would say our Sierras in 88/89 were the quickest in the world. So the GSR R31 keeping pace tells me that they could have been superior to the facotry Nismo cars. I know parts off GMS cars found their way back to Nismo japan cars.

I'd like to think you're right and you probably are.

The Japanese group A HR31s did pretty effectively hose the sierras, M3s and factory Toyotas over there, to the point that the only meeting one year which wasn't R31 1st or 1st AND 2nd was one where both the calsonic cars DNFd, 1989 I think.

Edited May 17, 2007 by floody