Anyone Used Ricol Automotive For Dyno Pfc Tune

[benl1981]

Might be using these guys. Friend had a tune done on a silvia there.

Anyone else had good reports or otherwise?

Cheers

[Mr_G]

Car was tuned there... Tune was too rich overall, so took it to my usual tuner to have a stab at the power fc which is unigroup. Car runs alot nicer when unigroup tuned it.

Ricol are good at things like engine builds, and modifications, however for tuning ill leave it to the guns. Col isnt bad at the tuning, but id pay the extra to get my tune from my usual guy.

[benl1981]

thanks mate.

How rich are we talking? Like 11 to 1?

I hear they tune for drift so maybe that's why it was conservative?

How long did they have your car on the dyno? Did you get any knock.

How much more power did you gain from unigroup? More response also was it?

[benl1981]

anyone else?

[D_I_F]

I hear they tune for drift so maybe that's why it was conservative?

Ummm.. WTF..

Tune for dift ay?

Maybe I should tune my car for drift spec.. lol..

But on a serious note.. I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as tuning for drift.

The tuner should be tuning the car to it's mods and the best power/safest tune possible which you can either use on street or track etc.

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(02) 9521 1388

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[benl1981]

Thanks mate but drift is pretty hard on a car compared to street driving.

I agree with what you say though - a tune that is good for the track would also be good for drift..

[D_I_F]

Thanks mate but drift is pretty hard on a car compared to street driving.

I agree with what you say though - a tune that is good for the track would also be good for drift..

Ok..

On a pfc there are 2 20x20 gids.. You have your idle, mid range and top end.

Do you really think you are going to be put putting around on idle drifting???? I don't think so..

With a full tune you have to make sure all those little numbers in the grids are rich enough to hold for the power/mods

When you are drifting you have high revs right... same when you are booting it on the street? How should the tune be different?

It shouldnt.

Difting is harder on the car then drifting, yes that is true. But as I have explained it there shouldn't be a difference in the tune.

[benl1981]

Drifting is holding high loads for sustained periods so they may run less ignition timing or have the AFRs slightly richer than somebody who is only blasting for shorter periods on the street.

Not that hard to see.

Often times people will see knock on the track that doesn't occur on the street.

Edited June 19, 2007 by benl1981

[D_I_F]

Often times people will see knock on the track that doesn't occur on the street.

If it's knocking then its crap.

[benl1981]

Great.

[evil_weevil]

I get knock - alot of fc tuned skylines get knock - depends on the level which is bad/crap..

speaking of which...when I got my tune I asked Yavuz - I dont want out right power i.e. 200 + rwkw Id rather more mid range and dont care about top end power. I wanted a safer tune which can be used in all applications!

but then again - prob will be changing soon...

[D_I_F]

I get knock - alot of fc tuned skylines get knock - depends on the level which is bad/crap..

speaking of which...when I got my tune I asked Yavuz - I dont want out right power i.e. 200 + rwkw Id rather more mid range and dont care about top end power. I wanted a safer tune which can be used in all applications!

but then again - prob will be changing soon...

Anything over about 40 is bad.

Mine sits at about 27

[siddr20]

Same as what mr_g said.. unigroup!!

n i get heaps of work done at ricol.. never got my car tuned there tho!! but for everything else, i vouch for Ricol..

[Risking]

Tunning for midrange and top end etc is all crap!!!

If you tunning any aftermarket ECU then there is a completely different section of the map you will be using for top end vrs midrange etc. IF you optimise all the load points and tune the thing properly It will make the same top end peak power and full potential midrange.

Tunning with cam gears etc yes there can be a few trade offs.

Time spent can also lead to trade offs. If you want a full tune done where its going to make peak grunt and have awesome midrange then your going to pay alot more than if you want the top end sweet and dont worry to much about the rest.

A tune is a tune weither it be drift or circuit etc. Yes the tunner may elect to retard the timing sligtly in the top end on a circuit car but thats really not nessisary. If a tunner wants to pull timing back just because your going to the track then his not 100% confident in the tune his done. Im ny oppinion its that simple.

Any tune ive done id happily jump in and flog the arse out of around any given circuit. I know its safe and not going to do any damage.

Often times people will see knock on the track that doesn't occur on the street.

Thats becuse on the track your pushing the ECU into sections of the map that havent been tuned or not tunned properly. Something tunned properly will not be fased by how hard you cane it on the circuit.

Various oppinions on knock. I tune my customers cars to around 20 cause anymore they freak out. My own GTR peaks at 50 or so and has done so for the last 18 months. Its happy and makes more power then the average RB26.

Tunning any other ECU you have put your faith in the tunner who uses his knowledge to tune the ignition maps. With the power FC the knock function is evil. People rely on it rather than the tunner. Again in my oppinion if you feel the need to monitor knock levels you should be finding another tunner who you fully trust.

[T04GTR]

i also have a super gay mega tune to offer aswell. or perhaps a shops tune? i know the ultimate in tuning. hold for it..

A TUNE!!!!

[T04GTR]

any but monkey that specificly tunes for drift/drag etc etc is stupid. or just plain un-confident in there tuning or to lazy to actually do the whole thing once and properly.

[T04GTR]

oh and for the record it takes about 4 pulls on the dyno to have the entire full throttle tune completed.

[barnoon]

Never used them for a tune but dont regard their work too highly anyway, had my Silvia converted to manual their and it was very bodgy, wrong sized bolts used etc, gearbox constantly grinded, they said the grinding was because I cant change gears even though when they test drove it it grinded constantly, anyway the motor in the Silvia blew a while later and when the motor was pulled out the mechanic discovered they didnt even put a thrust bearing on the gearbox thats why the gear changing was so horrible.

[evil_weevil]

Tunning for midrange and top end etc is all crap!!!

If you tunning any aftermarket ECU then there is a completely different section of the map you will be using for top end vrs midrange etc. IF you optimise all the load points and tune the thing properly It will make the same top end peak power and full potential midrange.

Tunning with cam gears etc yes there can be a few trade offs.

Time spent can also lead to trade offs. If you want a full tune done where its going to make peak grunt and have awesome midrange then your going to pay alot more than if you want the top end sweet and dont worry to much about the rest.

A tune is a tune weither it be drift or circuit etc. Yes the tunner may elect to retard the timing sligtly in the top end on a circuit car but thats really not nessisary. If a tunner wants to pull timing back just because your going to the track then his not 100% confident in the tune his done. Im ny oppinion its that simple.

Any tune ive done id happily jump in and flog the arse out of around any given circuit. I know its safe and not going to do any damage.

Thats becuse on the track your pushing the ECU into sections of the map that havent been tuned or not tunned properly. Something tunned properly will not be fased by how hard you cane it on the circuit.

Various oppinions on knock. I tune my customers cars to around 20 cause anymore they freak out. My own GTR peaks at 50 or so and has done so for the last 18 months. Its happy and makes more power then the average RB26.

Tunning any other ECU you have put your faith in the tunner who uses his knowledge to tune the ignition maps. With the power FC the knock function is evil. People rely on it rather than the tunner. Again in my oppinion if you feel the need to monitor knock levels you should be finding another tunner who you fully trust.

Hey Brad,

You say its "crap" but then you say it can be done?

Am I miss reading it?

Im no tuner, but I asked Unigroup what I wanted and they delivered.

My car isnt quick, doesnt have much power as most 33's but it feels strong mid range.

re: knock levels - you saying that if you guys tuned my car I wouldnt have as much knock levels?

Every other skyline I know that has an FC gets knock!

Only time Ive seen it really high is when it was a hot day and I was being silly!!

Well,

I'm happy with how my car is running! and thats all that matters - oh, and I havent had any dramas!

(Im not having a go at anyone, just friendly discussions peeps! )

[Guilt-Toy]

Hey brad

Say you normally tune a car to run .84's which is quite acceptable for a street car and you do those tunes all day. If someone comes up to you with a hecktic drift car and says "i want a drift tune" would you tune it to run .84's during the drift cycles or would you richen it up to .80's or 7's so the engine can run cooler?

Next tune you do - set the speed to 140ks an hour and floor it for 10 minutes. I bet ya it knocks

my 2c's