Have The Japs Actually Tried?

[m3gtr]

I did not not ask you to open this thread.

i dont recall ever having to get your permission to do so.

perhaps your 300kw skyline is a good example of what a japanese supercar should be. Your burnout avatar gives away as much..

[adam-__-]

Its performance versus endurance. I think Skylines, Supras, NSXs, RX-7s ect are all made to both have a fair amount of kick without compromising too much on reliability. Think about it, how many Ferraris and Lamborghinis lasting +100,000kms? They aren't designed to, they are designed to go hard and not much else. For a good time not a long time. Now hands up all with Skylines that have gone past the 100,000km mark.

Also, the last GT-R that was made was (according to Redbook, not 100% sure if its true) was 2000. To compare it to the latest Fords, Holdens and BMWs seems a little unfair. A 2000 VT Series 2 SS Commodore put out 220kWs standard. Compare that to the Skyline's "208kWs" and it brings it into prospective a little.

I have to agree though, there seems to be a trend lately that all car manufacturers seem to be steering away from turbo charged performance vehicles, not just Japanese ones. Hopefully the new GT-R will change that.

I wouldn't say that they weren't designed to get to 100 000km mark, it's just that people don't want to age a car which cost them $250K+

[RBFIRE]

that fact is Ferrari's owner is scheduled for engine rebuilt every 30000km! approx $20000 per services!

[HotPlates]

I think it's 2 things. First and most obvious, the Japanese power (straight from the factory) restriction has only recently been lifted. Before, pretty much any power rating could not exceed 206kW out of the show room. That's why Japanese maunfacturers made their cars with so much more potential in mind.

Secondly it's brand perception. Lexus might get away with a $150,000k sports car, the Nissan GTR might too but that's where it ends. People in this day and age aren't willing to fork out that amount for a Japanese brand that will most likely not hold its value. Tis' a good thing for us poorer blokes that some of the Japanese cars are every bit as good if not better than their more expensive European counterparts as far as performance goes. You tend to get less luxury in the Japanese brands though.

But if I had the choice between the new GTR and the 997 Porsche turbo, I would choose the Porsche no contest. The new GTR still looks odd especially from the front.

[IH84DS]

I personally believe we will not see such a car due to the amount of money spent on performance upgrades and after market products.

Believe it or not, just about all performance car companies have their hand in the after market product companies.

[mass_iv]

i dont recall ever having to get your permission to do so.

perhaps your 300kw skyline is a good example of what a japanese supercar should be. Your burnout avatar gives away as much..

I SMELL JEALOUSY..

[m3gtr]

I SMELL JEALOUSY..

living in Tokyo, surrounded by countless hi-po skylines, having friends in the d1 scene and being on the verge of owning a 500hp skyline dont allow any room for jealousy...perhaps you saw the thread recently of the white GTR i saw on yahoo japan auctions?

Edited August 14, 2007 by m3gtr

[m3gtr]

I think it's 2 things. First and most obvious, the Japanese power (straight from the factory) restriction has only recently been lifted. Before, pretty much any power rating could not exceed 206kW out of the show room. That's why Japanese maunfacturers made their cars with so much more potential in mind.

This in untrue. Performance cars that came out of the showrooms routinely had more than 206kw. That was just a quoted figure to comply with regulations that was never severely policed. Cars often had more than 250kw out of the box.

Those who think brawn over brains are missing the point here, by the way. The Kw and Hp junkie brigade just dont get it.

[Blitz]

living in Tokyo, surrounded by countless hi-po skylines, having friends in the d1 scene and being on the verge of owning a 500hp skyline dont allow any room for jealousy...perhaps you saw the thread recently of the white GTR i saw on yahoo japan auctions?

Wait....

[m3gtr]

hmph. your a funny guy blitz. im laughing pretty hard on the inside.

by the way, try to get those swirl marks out next time your at the detailers, yeah?

Edited August 14, 2007 by m3gtr

[scathing]

I did not not ask you to open this thread.

Careful.

You'd better not set him off, or his defensiveness at being unable to detect actual discrimination from a colloquialism (similar to his inability to detect satire) will see him riding the Waaaahmbulance to the nearest mod to have your thread deleted.

[Guilt-Toy]

that fact is Ferrari's owner is scheduled for engine rebuilt every 30000km! approx $20000 per services!

holy crap! Thats crazy!!!

living in Tokyo, surrounded by countless hi-po skylines, having friends in the d1 scene and being on the verge of owning a 500hp skyline dont allow any room for jealousy...perhaps you saw the thread recently of the white GTR i saw on yahoo japan auctions?

We dont care that your skyline built in japan is on the 'verge' of having as much power as a back yard built skyline in Australia.

Big wooop. we dont need to go to japan to find those.. there are plenty of them around here. If you dont have any input for the thread then please dont post in here. Go ruin someone else's threads.

[swanny180]

living in Tokyo, surrounded by countless hi-po skylines, having friends in the d1 scene and being on the verge of owning a 500hp skyline dont allow any room for jealousy...perhaps you saw the thread recently of the white GTR i saw on yahoo japan auctions?

Dude, do you have any idea how much bigger your e-penis just got when you typed that shit?! ...

Back to the topic, I think the reason has basically been touched on here by a few people...

1 - The 206kW power restriction. Yes I realise it wasnt policed heavily, but that would partly be because when it was broken, it wasnt broken by huge amounts. If someone made a 350-400kW car, Im sure they wouldnt have overlooked it as easily.

2 - Costs. To build and sell a very high powered car, it becomes reasonably costly, in terms of R&D, when you aren't planning on selling too many. Also, when you can buy a GTR with 206kW for what, $150,000? when new in Japan, how on earth could they reasonably price a car making double or more power?

If it was even close to the same price, absolutely noone would have bought the GTR simply on the basis they could have a car making significantly more power for not much more coin.

3 - Lack of a need. Japanese car manufacturers make plenty from selling cheaper, slower models. The Corolla is one of the best selling cars (if not the best?). Why would they spend huge dollars making a car that probably wont sell much at all given the price tag compared to the brand name you get with it, when it makes more financial sense to be improving their position in the small to medium sized car market?

Its a shame, but basically there just isnt really a need for a high powered Japanese supercar and I guess thats a large part of why there isnt one.

As much as we might like to think otherwise, car companies arent just there to make cars that please what we car enthusiasts might want, theyre there to make a profit. And unfortunately, regular everyday car buyers who dont want high powered supercars to drive to school, work and the shops in, are the ones in the majority

[MANWHORE]

Some cars do put out decent power. For example, when I was looking for my car, this nice TRD supra came up - 800 bhp.

There's the nismo 400r and the ztune - I understand that these power levels are nowhere near what you said though.

[mass_iv]

living in Tokyo, surrounded by countless hi-po skylines, having friends in the d1 scene and being on the verge of owning a 500hp skyline dont allow any room for jealousy...perhaps you saw the thread recently of the white GTR i saw on yahoo japan auctions?

NO and i dont care!!!!

Just wondering why u were commenting in the first place??? i mean if the topic shits u or touches u in a spot where no other topic does and you feel really crap, angry, upset, pissed off etc THEN JUST DONT CLICK AND READ!!!

Edited August 15, 2007 by mass_iv

[Guilt-Toy]

hahahaa

although i would prefer if we dont rev this guy up and he just goes away and annoys someone else or get banned or something

NO and i dont care!!!!

Just wondering why u were commenting in the first place??? i mean if the topic shits u or touches u in a spot where no other topic does and you feel really crap, angry, upset, pissed off etc THEN JUST DONT CLICK AND READ!!!

[mass_iv]

Lol yeh just annoys me how people do that.....

Anyways i agree with everyone else... I dont think anyone wud pay big $$$$ for a nissan. Its all about the badge!!!!

[VB-]

why do some people think the 206kw thing was actually a law?

Edited August 15, 2007 by VB-