Multiple Speed Camera Fines

[scathing]

Was it a fixed camera or a mobile one? I'm guessing its fixed if you got pinged twice on the same day, as the mobile cameras tend to get rotated every few hours to other locations.

[d00dz]

uh That sux to be you.

Arent their signs before the fixed cameras letting you know to slow down or "huge penlties apply"?

[mad082]

54 in a 50 zone, that's harsh

i was told by a friend/copper a while ago that fixed camers only pin you if you're doing 10% or greater than the posted speed limit

used to be 10%, now it's just 3kmh, so even if you are only doing 103 in a 100 zone you're screwed.

Was it a fixed camera? shoulda been 3+ signs before it. Or was it a porta-revenue-raiser?

that depends on state. in qld we don't have that luxury.

[GTRgeoff]

Clearly you aren't a high range speeder and clearly not endangering life, so here is a link that will help you to challenge the illegal use of radars and lasers and the inadequate laws as they stand. It will also help to drag out the cases long enough to not lose your license.

http://www.aussiespeedingfines.com/index.php

high range speeders are idiots

[igota33]

i thought the reason speed cameras were set up for 10% lea-way was because the ADR's state a vehicle manufacturer needs to make sure the speedo is accurate by +/- 10%. they can't book you if the law states your speedo is allowed to show 60 when in actual fact your doing 66. the ADR's set you up to get fined. theoretically i should be able to drive 121kph in a 110 zone because my speedo is allowed to be out 10%. i could be wrong though.

[Zoggy]

Hey guys,

I got a speeding fine yesterday in the mail on a camera which i think i know it's location.

Bugger, only low as in 70 in a 60kms, 3 points $79..blah blah blah

Today i got 2 more on the same camera !

Different day than the first but both on the same day, one to work, and one on the way back.

70 and 72 in a 60kms zone,

Question is, is that allowed (probably)

If i'd got pulled over and booked the 1st time, you think you'd learn a lesson, but not 3 hits 3 weeks after

Had a look around but can't fine any similar occurances.

Maybe tomorrow I've lost my liscence with another 2 fines when i check the mail ??? :P

Thanks..

Birnie

pay for 3 and the 4th one is free lol , sorry to hear dude. My boss got caught 3 times by the same camera doing over 30km. lost his liscense for a looooong time

[mad082]

i thought the reason speed cameras were set up for 10% lea-way was because the ADR's state a vehicle manufacturer needs to make sure the speedo is accurate by +/- 10%. they can't book you if the law states your speedo is allowed to show 60 when in actual fact your doing 66. the ADR's set you up to get fined. theoretically i should be able to drive 121kph in a 110 zone because my speedo is allowed to be out 10%. i could be wrong though.

it used to be 10%, but now it is only 3kmh. they get more money this way.

but it is a good idea to get your speedo error checked if you are on a dyno. that way you atleast know how far it is out and can take that into consideration. some places will also adjust it for you.

[vidospace]

Or get larger rims :-) That way it just looks like your doing a faster speed when infact your slower than the speedlimit ;-)

[Beer Baron]

Or get larger rims :-) That way it just looks like your doing a faster speed when infact your slower than the speedlimit ;-)

actually larger rims make it seem like you are going the limit (on your speedo) when in fact you are over it....

as for the original poster I agree that speeding cameras do not do what they claim (which is deter people from speeding). I mean you didn't even know it was there. you could have been doing 240kph and the camera would do nothing more than send you a bill. hardly good safety if 2 mins after passing the camera you plough into a school bus.... speed cameras do nothing more than tax us hard.

[MBS206]

AFAIK in NSW, there is NO legislation, stating the 3 signs have to be there.

It's a "gentlemans" thing and just there to "deter" you from speeding and advise you of the limit.

I'll jump on the legislation site and try dig up the laws around speed cameras.

[MBS206]

Hope for your sakes there's NO sign posts for speed limit as, the legislation, hasn't changed.

Part 3 of the Australian Road Rules as foundo n www.legislation.nsw.gov.au

Australian Road Rules

25 Speed-limit elsewhere

(1) If a speed-limit sign does not apply to a length of road and the length of road is not in a speed-limited area, school zone or shared zone, the speed-limit applying to a driver for the length of road is the default speed-limit.

Note. Length of road is defined in the dictionary, school zone is defined in rule 23, shared zone is defined in rule 24, and speed-limited area is defined in rule 22.

(2) The default speed-limit applying to a driver for a length of road in a built-up area is 60 kilometres per hour.

Note. Built-up area is defined in the dictionary.

(3) The default speed-limit applying to a driver for any other length of road is:

(a) for a driver driving a bus with a GVM over 5 tonnes, or another vehicle with a GVM over 12 tonnes—100 kilometres per hour, or

(b) for any other driver—100 kilometres per hour or as otherwise provided under another law of this jurisdiction.

Note 1. Bus and GVM are defined in the dictionary, and vehicle is defined in rule 15.

Note 2. Five tonnes is specified for the definition of heavy omnibus in the Australian Design Rules issued under the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 (Cth).

Note 3. If the vehicle is an oversize or overmass vehicle, the vehicle may be restricted to a lower speed-limit under another law of this jurisdiction.

[mad082]

The default speed-limit applying to a driver for a length of road in a built-up area is 60 kilometres per hour.

not sure about other states but i know that in places in qld the default speed limit is set to 50kmh unless signed otherwise. for example, here in gympie main roads are signed 60, the rest are default at 50kmh even though they are not signed at 50kmh. the only time it has to be signed as 50 is if a 60kmh road becomes a 50kmh road

[dnbutts]

lolz,

dont think double jeopardy is going to save you here!

[saliya]

i thought the reason speed cameras were set up for 10% lea-way was because the ADR's state a vehicle manufacturer needs to make sure the speedo is accurate by +/- 10%. they can't book you if the law states your speedo is allowed to show 60 when in actual fact your doing 66. the ADR's set you up to get fined. theoretically i should be able to drive 121kph in a 110 zone because my speedo is allowed to be out 10%. i could be wrong though.

Hey,

ADR 18 says +- 10% (interestingly, for speeds above 40km/h - so yes, in theory your speedo could still be ADR-compliant and reading

50 (55.55km/h real speed)

60 (66.66km/h real speed)

110 (122.22km/h real speed)

You probably wouldn't even need to prove that your speedo _was_ -10% at the time

of the alleged offence - how would either party know otherwise? You probably _would_,

however, need to prove that you were aware of your speed at the time.

With respect to the 'aussiespeedingfines' site; surely, the best way to achieve the stated

goals (cutting govt. revenue from speeding/parking fines) is to simply offer the e-book and the

letter templates for free download. The fact that they must be bought suggests goals

other than those stated...

Regards,

Saliya

[mad082]

how do you get 55.55 as being 10% more than 50? 10% of 50 is 5, not 5.55, that is 11.1% of 50.

[BAMR33]

Not having a go at you or anything but 10km/h over the speed limit is a fair bit and to do it three times consecutively you must do a fair bit of speeding, so what goes around comes around I guess. It's one of my pet hates when I'm going the speed limit or just over and someone comes flying past me, especially 4WD's it's not like that extra speed is going get you anywhere faster.

If your worried about points and loosing your license you could always pass off some of the points to someone else. You won't have much of an argument in saying 'if you knew you had the previous fines you wouldn't have speed' because that just proves you had intent to speed.

[gazza750]

you sped you got caught too bad so sad pay attention to the what your doing next time .

if you were so distracted thinking of other things and try and use that as an excuse you shouldn't have a license

[saliya]

how do you get 55.55 as being 10% more than 50? 10% of 50 is 5, not 5.55, that is 11.1% of 50.

Hey,

it's to do with the expression - in english, not ADR-speak:

"The speedo must read within +-10% of the actual vehicle speed"

not

"the vehicle is allowed to be travelling 10% faster or slower than the indicated speed"

- they're two different things. For our example where we're interested in the bottom limit only

Indicated Speed (can be) = Actual Speed - 10% of Actual Speed

= Actual Speed * (100 - 10) %

= Actual Speed * 90%

But we don't know Actual Speed, we only know Indicated Speed.

So to calculate Actual speed from Indicated speed, we get

Actual Speed = Indicated Speed / 90%

= 50km/h / .9

= 55.55km/h (well, 55.5 recurring, but anyway).

The difference is bugger-all @ 50km/h (0.5km/h), but is more than 1km/h @ indicated 110km/h (122.2km/h instead of 121).

And if they're going to go you for that 1km/h, it might be important...

Regards,

Saliya

[Guest B34ST GTR]

I disagree with 10kph over the limit being quite alot, i find a half second lapse in concentration can increase your speed limit by 10kph easily, it doesnt even feel like any more pressure on the accelerator is required to gain an extra 10, at 60kph

I know speeding is bad and none of us should do it........

but, THIS IS A SKYLINE website not a camry cruising club, and we all share a common interest in finely built SPORTS cars, which arent exactly good on fuel or good family cars or feature loaded cruisers but they SPEED good, and thats about all they are good for.

...and there sexy.

[scathing]

dont think double jeopardy is going to save you here!

The concept of "double jeopardy" says you can't be convicted of the same offense more than once. In this instance, there are three separate incidents so it wouldn't apply.

I've been thinking about the idea of double jeopardy. Lets say you drive through a section of road with multiple cameras but no change in speed limit (like, say, a tunnel). If you get pinged speeding by more than one camera, I'd assert that you could only be fined once. If you don't slow down, you've only committed that offence once. The cameras are just witnesses, after all, and multiple witnesses doesn't make for multiple offences.