The Skyline and HP...... debate and comment (PLEASE NO MUD SLINGING)

[Soulja]

Just a question: are they any places in perth that do weight reducment jobs for skyline? dont know if they r any good but less weight with the right set-up can be a good thing (as look as you dont go over board)

[RB20LagWagon]

I hear Gran Turismo imports in Bently does some weight reduction. It comes in three stages 1 2 and 3.

All of them aid Handling and breaking.

They start at 2000 credits

[rev210]

lagwagon,

ah yes but, is that the grand turismo 1 2 or 3 in bently?

or do they all do weight reduction on the skyline models?

[Soulja]

ahahaha, so im guessing that it is not real? i ask cuz i didnt know, and im pretty sure it's in all GT and 4 all skylines

[Soulja]

Originally posted by RB20LagWagon

I hear Gran Turismo imports in Bently does some weight reduction. It comes in three stages 1 2 and 3.

All of them aid Handling and breaking.

They start at 2000 credits

ahaha 2000 credits doesnt look right to me more like 4000 i think

[MrSnrub]

Dan hows your WRX going? Done many mods to it?

I was never really interested in HP figures..... More interested in 1/4 mile times. Thats how i judged a "fast" car. Some people say 1/4mile is crap coz it doesnt prove any handling etc....which is true but, if you race someone at the lights, handling doesnt matter too much either..... you dont often have proper "street races" around corners etc.

My mates 180sx should be back on the road this weekend, and should be good for 300rwhp, which sounds good, but who knows what that will be like on the 1/4mile.... should be mid 12s at least though.

Anyways this is one of the reasons i got rid of my 33 GTST, and am currently hunting for a 89 GTR to import. I know there will be a lot next year, but I still wanna own a car that does easy 12s with basic mods

Ben

[rob77]

Yeah, I think kens said it before, if you wanna go fast start with a car that fast out of the box... GTR

[IMACUL8]

Ben

WRX is going great.

I have bought a new ecu and turbo... and a few other bits and pieces which will all be getting put on and tuned at West Racing as soon as i get my tax money.....

Daniel

[IMACUL8]

Is the stock turbo capable of running 12's......

What is the CFM of the stock turbo?

Daniel

[rob77]

Originally posted by IMACUL8

Guys, and in no way am I having a dig.. its just a observation

I dont understand your infatuation with dyno hp figures... in the sceme of things it really means fark all when comparing to other peoples figures.

I personally would consider any car running 12's or below to be a quick street car.  So unless your building a dyno queen, i would start looking at other areas to increase the cars OVERALL PERFORMANCE, such as suspension, tires, etc.....

Im seeing guys with 300+ hp and still not cracking into the 12's.  Why would this be?  

This was the main reason I sold my car, because after all the fancy Apexi, HKS, etc stuff I put on there I still wasnt that impressed.....

Please guys,  I am not bagging skylines (I still have a soft spot for them), I am just trying to determine why people keep making bulk engine mods for hp and the car is still not that quick.

Should we be moving our attention away from the motor and into other areas......

Please comment guys, I would like some serious comments and debate... NO mud sligging or bagging.....

Daniel

Dan you've just spent major coin and bought a new ecu and turbo, had you bought a new ecu and turbo for your r33 I reckon you'd have got better value for money in terms of top end power and speed. the only advantage a wrx has over a r33 is the 4wd which only helps the launch, I guess that would make it a fast car in your book cos it would get down the 1/4 quicker.... *shrug* I would have hung onto the r33 more fun

[IMACUL8]

hahahha... Rob I really dont want to get into want is quicker and what is better.. because you wont like my answer.

If you want me to compare... well in terms of bolt on mods and performance for return... sorry pal rex wins hands down.

with :

new turbo 1200 (bolt on)

new ecu 1000 (i picked up a second hand LINK with hand controller for that much)

turbo back exhaust 1500

whiteline suspension gear 500

TOTAL = $4200

You have a car that will run 12.7 to 12.9 consistantly at the plex, and will out handle and monover a gtst any day of the week.

My r33 had twice that spent on it and wasnt even close in handling or straight line speed.

Sorry Rob just my observation.

Daniel

[IMACUL8]

Once again guys

Im not saying that WRx is better than skyline, I was just stating my opinion asI have had both cars, and wanted to answer Robs question honestly.

Daniel

[rob77]

got enough money together to replace the clutch and gearbox? ask denver (xrw) how many gearboxes he has chewed.

[IMACUL8]

You cant compare Denver to stardard driver..

he uses his car for all sorts of special events and the like. that kind of torchure would deem any gearbox useless.. hahaha

Im not saying the gearbox is bulletproof, far from it its the cars biggest weak spot.. but clutch is fine, no different to skyline, i cooked two on the skyline, and im still on my stardard one with my rex....

Daniel

[rob77]

fair enough, good luck with your mods and timeslip Once you get the slip you can let that do the talking

[IMACUL8]

yeah i know Rob....

i not one to say " My car will do this or that"...

In about three weeks ill be able to give you a timeslip

Daniel

[DCIEVE]

pretty cheap turbo?

mnay rex's seem to abe able to do the same times with that mod formula, whereas the r33's times vary wildly with the same mods. does the awd take skill out of the equation when chasing good times?

the rwd of skylines is a heap more fun i think having driven both, but not in the wet where it becomes a touch hairy. the rex's also have awesome stability at speed, which is hard to go past.

[rob77]

I wouldnt say the wrx awd takes the skill out of the equation, as it also takes some skill to launch it right, but it should get very low 60' times with its awd, as do gtr's.

[summoner]

rob77.. how about u ask denver.. he has only had a bent fork before and currently has an issue where the circlip for driveshaft came off munching stuff.. 2 drama's in bout 3-4 years aint that bad.

[summoner]

oh and yes imacul8 is right about bang for buck. i have yet to see an r33 gts-t do something impressive yet for a cheap price. I have on the other hand seen many R32's and R31's go quick on a limited budget.. and those are from guys who have thought out the mods alot more than others imho.. even ls-1 guys(yeh im biased har har) have gotten good results for sfa