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Birds, If only you could channel that energy into an aesthetic attribute you'd be an adonis lol

You know your shit works for you, and likely quite a few others (I think I'm in the same boat as you anyway), that's why there's more than one way to do anything because generally there's different ways that work well for different people. I think we've established that.

You can have the same goal and achieve it in different ways, when he likes his way and it works for him, why get dem panties in a bunch trying to change it?

Like you said, it's all just an opinion so take it with a grain of salt.

Historically though, I've found that if a large number of people tend to have an opinion about you, it's generally either bang on the money about who you really are, or at the very least, is indicative of the façade that you maintain - if you're the type that tends to try and portray themselves as someone they're not. That's a generalisation though, as I'm the only one (in this convo) to have taken a dig at you so for all I know others may love the way you dispense advice.

All this talking shit has given me a mighty hunger for cheese goods.

I am an Adonis!

Some love it; some hate it. The ones who do love it, love it more than those who hate and that's what matters to me :)

But I do like demonstrating how advice pushed on others will be better or worse received depending upon the person dispensing it (where was this army of "he can do what he wants" when I was being berated for my training methods???) ...I'm sure young jangles has picked up on that little experiment by now :)

Nonetheless, we'll wait and see if it works out for him. I hope it does.

And yes, cheese is awesome; something we can all agree on.

Pregnancy seems to affect everyone really differently ( a few friends going through it also atm).

All I could say from watching Kate go through it is keep active and eat lots, but healthy choices.

yeah I won't be giving up the gym! Eating more might be a struggle though... My mum is a personal trainer, and trained during her pregnancies so I'm sure I'll have lots of support and advice when the time comes :)

yeah I won't be giving up the gym! Eating more might be a struggle though... My mum is a personal trainer, and trained during her pregnancies so I'm sure I'll have lots of support and advice when the time comes :)

Ahem...why are we talking about pregnancy?!

This diet thing people are on the rage about....

From what I can read into this Birds is attempting to make an argument (aggressively, even poorly perhaps) for a 'lifestyle' approach for appearence focused training/eating. I agree with this. Adopt a lifestyle change of training and eating that matches your goals. The body basically will end up looking like you live, long term.

On the other hand however, quantification of macros can help people understand how much and how many when it comes to rough serving sizes and nutrition. It helps for some people to understand why and what's going on to build the trust in what can be a rather radical change. There is often alot of fairly normal fear around going backwards , getting sick or doing things wrong.

Learning about food is a good thing.

Macro obsession, unless you are in a race to achieve a body fat reduction or entering competitions, then the super micro management of the daily food intake is actually overkill. Long term it's really 'dieting' , you can expect to lose gains the moment the eye is off the ball and you start eating what you denied yourself.

To settle differences over this perhaps there is an idea for a body transform challenge thread? As it's asthetics a poll would determine the ultimate winners.

I stopped mounting a proper argument pages ago when people turned to strawman fallacies; since then it's been a bit of a fun thing with aggressive humour chucked in. It merely started with a statement not unlike yours, rev, that super micro management is overkill...particularly at the stages people on here are resorting to it.

:)

You never fail to deliver Birds, Man you make me laugh :D I'd love to sink some beers with you, for a number of reasons I think you'd be good value. Maybe DECA one time?

I love it when people dismiss an opinion contrary the their own as strawman tactics.

"Oh they just don't get what I'm on about so they're attacking this aspect or that, but that's not what I really meant" as if there's no possible way others could disagree if they only understood.

Surely if someone misunderstands it must be intentional, especially on a forum where we have the richness of text to convey a message. Body language and intonation are pretty overrated.

Our of curiosity, how old are you Birds? Not a loaded question, you just remind me of myself at a certain age and I'm curious.

Rev, yeah agreed on pretty much all fronts and by and large I actually agree with BIrds opinion on how to go about eating. Just not so much the delivery or the idea that one size fits all (not that he was actually saying either of those things as we can't be sure what strawman I might have created).

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