Gym And Supplement Discussion

[No Crust Racing]

Shit I meant yeah SQUAT

[Trozzle]

Troy why you cutting? It's bulking time...

Coz I put 10kg on and f**king hate looking puffy and smooth lol. I REALLY hate it. So I'm cutting back for a few weeks so I stop hating how I look, then I'll get back to bulking, only slower this time round lol.

[No Crust Racing]

I'm with Mitch. Winter = awesome food and less f**ks given for ab definition and being vascular and all that

[Trozzle]

I'm with Mitch. Winter = awesome food and less f**ks given for ab definition and being vascular and all that

Oh how I wish I could still agree with this haha...blows that I let a lack of self esteem and confidence get in the way

I'll get back to eating much more relaxed after my birthday (15th) since that was just the "short term" end date for fixing my puffy shit, though since I'm so bloody vain the next date I need to sort my shit for will be mid to late September...hence why I'm much more interested in going on a cleaner and slower bulk as soon as I'm happy with not looking like I'm bloated. However that being said, in the last couple of months I've realised that I can temporarily "fix" my appearance to a standard I'm happy with for an occasion in a matter of days (pretty much abstain from carbs, just causing rapid dropping of any water my body is hanging onto). If I'm wanting to look good for just a single day, I really only need to do anything about it in the few days leading up lol.

Also helps that the recreational activities I'm enjoying lately require me to fast (or at least avoid solid food) most of the day anyway haha

[No Crust Racing]

For what it's worth, that aspect of things does get a bit better over time.

Though admittedly, I still get a bit paranoid sometimes about being too skinny and I've come a fair way from 65kg.

Hard to shake the old attitudes sometimes.

[bozodos]

I didn't think anyone was really getting THAT anal about diet in here - it's not like we're all going Keto or something like that. I've even said before that I'm too lazy to calculate macros!

I initially tried eating whatever and keeping it to a certain calorie level - it just didn't seem to work for me until I also looked at the composition of the food that I was eating. Wasn't a huge amount of thought involved - avoiding refined / simple carbs, sugars where I can basically and preparing my own food when I can.

I don't know if the whole protein amount thing is broscience or not, but it appears to be working for me thus far, and I'm doing all of this with a sustainable life change in mind rather than a "diet". Obviously once I've shed the right amount of fat, I won't have to be as strict on myself.

[vspecIInur]

I've never bothered to count macros. The most interesting thing is coming from a keto diet to a more balanced diet, you start to feel like shit, bloated and paying a visit to the toilet 75% more. Thinking of going back to it so I can enjoy eating cheese, eggs, and all natural super crunchy no added sugar peanut butter for breakfast instead of oats and eggs. Not to mention looking more defined as well!

The other important thing I've changed recently in the gym is increasing my volume whilst maintain training heavy. I would now do 6-7 sets for my first compound lift and slowly taper down to 4 sets for my last exercise. Working much better for me and have gotten stronger, even more stronger than being on pre-workouts/anavar cycles etc.

[No Crust Racing]

That's pretty good, the sets thing. I've wondered about moving to lower reps and more sets but I think, for me at least, sticking to my tried and tested 3x8 gets me enough results and prevents me getting carried away with weight too quickly so everything has a chance to catch up before I add weight if you get me.

But to be fair, I'm not strong in any direction so I'm pretty easily impressed by other peoples achievements!

[Trozzle]

I've never bothered to count macros. The most interesting thing is coming from a keto diet to a more balanced diet, you start to feel like shit, bloated and paying a visit to the toilet 75% more. Thinking of going back to it so I can enjoy eating cheese, eggs, and all natural super crunchy no added sugar peanut butter for breakfast instead of oats and eggs. Not to mention looking more defined as well!

The other important thing I've changed recently in the gym is increasing my volume whilst maintain training heavy. I would now do 6-7 sets for my first compound lift and slowly taper down to 4 sets for my last exercise. Working much better for me and have gotten stronger, even more stronger than being on pre-workouts/anavar cycles etc.

(in bold) funnily enough this was one of the things I hated about keto - your digestive system goes to shit from lack of fibre and increased fat consumption. I started getting pretty nasty cramps from not having taken a crap for more than 24 hours. That in itself is enough to stop me from doing it again without smashing the insoluble fibre much more haha

[vspecIInur]

I was having a couple of table spoons of flaxseed meal (hard to enjoy) to help boost my fibre intake. I remember waiting 2.5 days before finally letting loose lol. Otherwise enjoy having heaps of broccoli because any form of dietary fibre (soluble/insoluble) isn't counted towards your overall carbohydrate consumption for the day.

[TTT]

wow... a whole bunch of slack jawed faggots round here...

Troy - It's June, you live in Carntberra.... it's f**king minus 12 at the best of time... stop being a shirt lifter.

Keep your tshirt and jumper on and down.

Get big and strong till Sept.

then do a 12 week cut.

Why are you knobs even arguing about which way is right and which way is wrong?

do what you want.... you don't have to defend it.

None of you are nutritionists/dieticians.... the fact that you would say "I'll write you a program and if you stick to it you'll be ripped" is stupid.

It's not rocket science to suggest someone eats lean meats and veg etc. Everyone here will know that much.

you want to count macros, do it.

you want to eat cheese, do it.

you want to eat all your carbs just before bed, do it.

There is only one certain rule.

Consume more energy than you expend, you'll grow

Consume less energy than you expend, you'll shrink.

where your energy comes from or wether you get it from 6 meals a day or all in one meal makes no difference what so ever to the end result of weight/fat.

If you care about your health in terms of vitamins, minerals etc etc, then you won't get all your energy from a meal of oreo biscuits.

[Trozzle]

wow... a whole bunch of slack jawed faggots round here...

Troy - It's June, you live in Carntberra.... it's f**king minus 12 at the best of time... stop being a shirt lifter.

Keep your tshirt and jumper on and down.

Get big and strong till Sept.

then do a 12 week cut.

Why are you knobs even arguing about which way is right and which way is wrong?

do what you want.... you don't have to defend it.

None of you are nutritionists/dieticians.... the fact that you would say "I'll write you a program and if you stick to it you'll be ripped" is stupid.

It's not rocket science to suggest someone eats lean meats and veg etc. Everyone here will know that much.

you want to count macros, do it.

you want to eat cheese, do it.

you want to eat all your carbs just before bed, do it.

There is only one certain rule.

Consume more energy than you expend, you'll grow

Consume less energy than you expend, you'll shrink.

where your energy comes from or wether you get it from 6 meals a day or all in one meal makes no difference what so ever to the end result of weight/fat.

If you care about your health in terms of vitamins, minerals etc etc, then you won't get all your energy from a meal of oreo biscuits.

Like I said, I can't mentally handle looking at myself and seeing a bloated puffy looking body, no matter how "big" I am. Not gonna happen. Yes, I have an emotional/self image problem. No I don't care it's winter.

[No Crust Racing]

God, I love you TTT.

No homo.

Edited June 5, 2013 by ActionDan

[rev210]

. Obviously once I've shed the right amount of fat, I won't have to be as strict on myself.

This statement highlights a thought process that needs to be discarded dude. It's responsible for the pudding you are trying to lose and it's just hanging back waiting for you to stop the 'strict' part.

Being 'strict' on yourself ? You need to find a way to change that thinking so you are 'rewarding' yourself. To a new enjoyable way of looking, eating and living. It's not about kidding yourself , the hardest part of diet/lifestyle isn't the calculations , it's getting a structure that you like and could live off for the rest of your life.

As an example , I enjoyed 3 dundee IPA's and a pasta meal last night. It's what I do and it's part of my lifestyle and although it may seem not efficient to help the fat loss part in achievement of my goals for physique, it's got another role to play my goal, reward.

You could ask the question ' do I want to keep this up the rest of my life ? ' . If the answer is no, then perhaps your physique and lifestyle journey will have an end?

Then return slowly to where you were before you started? This happens everyday to people with the 'being strict' thinking. It can be like torture and eventually ,given long enough time, everyone under those conditions cracks.

Then again , you could just want to do this like climbing everest. No one wants to live up there but, you can at least tick it off the bucket list.

I appreciate the challenge is there ,so if you can look for ways where you are 'more' rewarded or satisfied with what you are eating and doing. That will still give results you will be proud of but, it might just be a longer term transofrmation. You will have changed yourself (mind/thinking) not your diet.

Edited June 5, 2013 by rev210

[TTT]

hey.. look what happens when I type in [ img]troy.jpg[ /img] without the spaces

You got mental issues brah...

Squats is the only cure.

Edited June 5, 2013 by TTT

[Birds]

It's not rocket science to suggest someone eats lean meats and veg etc. Everyone here will know that much.

Knowing and doing = different things

P.S. macros are for faggots

[No Crust Racing]

I thought macros were for people wanting to be more efficient in Excel =\

[Trozzle]

Someone get the stick! Birds is at it again...

lol

[Birds]

Somebody stop me!

[L33SH]

Somebody stop me!

Stop it.