Gym And Supplement Discussion

[No Crust Racing]

I'm not sure, given I'm not really doing much right at the moment, I'm simply putting it up for discussion.

I have no opinion either way as I'm not a trained professional.

"I've contemplated if I'd be better splitting like that" that is, I've thought about whether this is a "generally" good thing to do or not.

Ultimately what matters most is probably effort, but I'd rather hear that from someone who has the experience to make a comment .

[Trozzle]

Personally I've found the 3 day split to be the best. Easy to keep track of progress, and hits every group well. Obviously it's no bodybuilding routine, since the goals with such routines are aesthetics rather than strength and functionality...however if you're eating well and pushing every session, you'll get great results indefinitely.

While I was eating stupid amounts I was doing either 3 on 1 off, or just push/pull/legs/repeat until I felt I NEEDED a rest day. Think I went just a touch over 2 weeks without needing a day off haha

[Birds]

There's no perfect program. You're there to damage muscles as much or more than you did last time, so you can rebuild them stronger with food and sleep. Damage hard and don't think too hard about it.

[bozodos]

some work better for different outcomes and on different people though - I've seen a huge improvement going from a 4 day split to 3 days of compounds with linear progression for example

[GHOSTrun]

interesting article

http://npcnewsonline.com/powerbuilding-you-dont-grow-in-the-gym/63930/

Good article.

[bozodos]

got told off for doing pendlay rows today (with bumper plates), apparently I have to not have the weights hit the floor. Surprised I didn't get told the same thing for deadlifting.

135kgx10 squats were not a problem incidentally Birds, good suggestion, I'll do that for a week and then try 125x20x2 again. Did my first unassisted dips as well, so it's all progressing quite well.

[Birds]

Well done man! Why not try and build the 135 up a rep each session? Go for 11 reps next time. You'll have 135 for 20 x 2 in a month

Or try for 137.5 x 10...

Hundred ways to do it, as long as the intensity goes up

[jangles]

Interesting to be is the part about push/pull/legs.

I've always done full bodies 3x weekly (well not lately but usually) but I've contemplated if I'd be better splitting like that.

For anyone else who does that sort of split, what sort of exercises are you doing to fill an hour?

Before leg and back issues I was doing, squat, bench, DL, bent rows, weighted chins, weighted dips in that order.

Pretty much how my workout has always been structured. I fill in an hour easily. It takes me 30-40mins to complete first movement.

[Birds]

Dude at gym asks me how to improve his deadlift; says he's on a bit of a plateau. I watch him and he pulls 8 reps of 80kg, with perfect form...couldn't fault it. I ask him what the most he's ever pulled on deads is. He says about 100kg for one rep, back in the day...in a tone like it would be in his dreams these days.

I told him to take his gloves off, put some chalk on his hands in the other room and come back. He comes back and I've loaded 30kg extra on the bar for 110. Says he can't do that. I said yes you can. He locks it out with ease and I tell him to do another 2 reps. I said there goes your plateau. Do 115 next session.

And that's how it is...everyday...all over the world

[bozodos]

I know that feel all too well....

[Trozzle]

Alrighty peeps, as a few of you may know I'm looking to buy all my own shit very soon. After asking around a little, I'm currently looking at the following shite:

"Complete" setup (thanks Dan):

http://www.cyber-market.com.au/cyberfit-power-rack-180kg-olympic-weight-flatincline-bench-p-592.html

I'm ever so slightly sceptical on the potential quality of the bar in this package given the price, as well as worried the plates aren't a large enough diameter (hence bar will be closer to the ground for deadlifts). If anyone thinks either of these worries are justified, I'd be looking to get just the bench and cage from that package then purchasing bar and weights separately - for example::

http://www.ironedge.com.au/store/weightlifting-bumper-plate-pack.html

Thoughts on this gear? Obviously the IronEdge shit in the second link is definitely good quality stuff, I'm more just concerned about whether the weights in the complete setup are acceptable.

Fanks

[No Crust Racing]

Before I get flamed, I posted that as being a bit better than the equipment I bought, I'm not saying it's the best or what should be purchased, just that it appears better than what I bought and I'd buy that second time round rather than what I got.

I'm sure there are much better setups out there and in this thread you always have to put a caveat on everything.

[Trozzle]

^^^ LOL of course Dan! Though you're right, definitely need to put disclaimers left right and centre in here

That being said, the quality of the rack and bench actually look to be quite good. I know I've seen some half decent gym setups here in Canberra using those exact same benches (so I'd also assume they were using the rack too), and for my level this stuff is well good enough.

Like I said though, bar quality and plate sizes are the only concerns at all - and even then I know they'd be fine, I'm just pedantic

[Dani Boi]

Looks pretty good to me. It's home use, you don't need OTT.

I wouldn't worry about the weights, who cares, weight is weight. If the bar that comes with it starts bending buy a better quality one.

You don't need bumper plates.

[Birds]

I'm sure there are much better setups out there and in this thread you always have to put a caveat on everything.

lol gotta be more careful than a politician in a brothel here

[No Crust Racing]

Amen.

[Trozzle]

Looks pretty good to me. It's home use, you don't need OTT.

I wouldn't worry about the weights, who cares, weight is weight. If the bar that comes with it starts bending buy a better quality one.

You don't need bumper plates.

Oh, I know I don't need OTT gear lol....just going with the "do it once, do it right" ideology bar definitely won't bend from what I can tell, especially with as much as I'll ever have on it - they loaded the fark out of it in the pics to demonstrate the sturdiness of the cage lol

So it seems nobody has any reasons NOT to go with that complete setup? If that's the case, I may very well go with it.

[UNR33L]

Anyone tried BN cookies and cream? Hows it compare to chocolate?

[bozodos]

not much actual cookies and cream taste, tastes much like vanilla to me (which I like incidentally)

[Trozzle]

Ordered the 180kg package just now (http://www.cyber-market.com.au/cyberfit-power-rack-180kg-olympic-weight-flatincline-bench-p-592.html). Keen.