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plenty of sports have different grades for different player ability.

Yes I agree. As a professional in my chosen sport of golf, we have solved this issue in a number of ways.

We have tournaments purely for the PGA members (Aust PGA, etc)...........cash prizes, cars, trophies and other give-aways.

There are events for the top ranking amateurs (Vardon events etc)............ trophies, titles and prizes up to $1000 value.

There are championships for all qualifiers (Aust Open, State Opens, etc)......combination of above.

Go to any golf course on a Saturday or Sunday and you'll find club members competing against each other for a club trophy,

but as a Club Professional, I cannot compete, eventhough handicaps (mine being scratch) puts all competitors on a level playing

field. Now this may look discriminatory, but those are the competitive rules which, must be laid down, in order to have order.

I can't see why in this Superlap event, divisions and rules (a common thing) should end up being discriminatory.

Sydneykid Grand Master

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I don't agree with the comparison of motorsport with golf. In motorsport the machinery plays far and away much more in the results obtained. I know nothing about golf, but I bet I couldn't beat Tiger what ever his name is if I had the Formula 1 of golf equipment and he had the Formual Vee of golf equipment. Conversely, in motorsport there is no way I could beat anyone in a Formual 1 car if I was driving a Formula Vee. The equipment plays too great a role in the potential results. That's why motorsport has always been and always will be classed on the car.

I have personally suffered as result of the stupidity of the driver determining the class in which the car races. In the same (showroom stock standard) car my wife ran in the "Standard" class while I had to run in the "Modified" class. Because I was considered too fast for the "Standard" class even though the car quite obviously didn't belong in the "Modified" class. Needless to say the car determined where I finished in that event.

I am not and never will be in favour of any attempt to classify cars based on who the driver is. It is simply rediculous to even suggest it. If you can't drive, then get yourself along to a race driving school. On a dollar for dollar bassis it will give you faster lap times than any modification you can make to the car. Plus it might just save your life on the road. Boz will show you around Oran Park, teach you more speed in a day than a 200 bhp increase in your engine's power. And at a miniscule amount of the cost.

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Gary

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The bottom line is, that there has NEVER been division or a handicap system based on driver ability. "It goes against every funamental aspect of what motorsport has been developed on" Encouraging inexperienced drivers to pilot big power and inevitably not set up correctly cars above and outside there capabilities on a racetrack is a recipe for disaster

The entire emphasis on motor-racing isnt just about the driver or just about the car. Its a combination to see what talent the driver has to get the best out of the machinery that he is driving.

Here is another one for you; You are saying that drivers who are either paid to drive or paid for driver training are not allowed to run in both classes. Where does that sit Paul Kemal who i know a few workshops are asking if he can drive there cars for these style events... yes he races in a national class of motorsport (Aussie Racing Cars) and that does have sponsorship that supports the cars but he isnt paid anything to drive. This being the case, there shouldnt be any limitations for him to drive in either class?

Boosted Zed Mentor

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I won't have my circuit car ready in time but will certainly be there to watch everyone else.

Here is a better view for people that don't know the circuit:

oranpark.jpg

benm everyone knows you are the motorsport fan of all times and will probably be the first there and last to leave, with the biggest smile on his face. This will be by far the biggest event in Australia for Jap imports of all time.

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If low teens is the benchmark for open class then I'm assuming maybe 1:20 flat???

Dunno, anyone with experience of this track have any idea??

Penno, Bozman???

Looking over the rules for the cars I don't think they would be that much slower. I am thinking cars in the clubman class should be able to do a 1.16-17.

The Lotus is eligable to run in clubman and would do a 16 standing on its head with those tyres.

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If low teens is the benchmark for open class then I'm assuming maybe 1:20 flat???

Dunno, anyone with experience of this track have any idea??

Penno, Bozman???

Looking over the rules for the cars I don't think they would be that much slower. I am thinking cars in the clubman class should be able to do a 1.16-17.

The Lotus is eligable to run in clubman and would do a 16 standing on its head with those tyres.

I might get the zed registered and put street tyres on it. Has full trim less back seat for roll cage, alloy fuel tank might knock me out although could not find mention of this in da rules?

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benm Grand Master

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benm everyone knows you are the motorsport fan of all times and will probably be the first there and last to leave, with the biggest smile on his face.

Well actually, if you look at that google map image I posted you can see my ugly head in the pit garage area..... :banana:

Risking Grand Master

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I might get the zed registered and put street tyres on it. Has full trim less back seat for roll cage, alloy fuel tank might knock me out although could not find mention of this in da rules?

It appears the regs for each class may need to be more definitive, like John my GTR could be entered into the street class which really would not be fair.

In my oppion if Boz drives his lotus on the road and its his own vehicle, then his elligable for clubman. You cant dictate one set of rules for non "proffesionals" and another for other people. If he attends a normal sprint then his entered accordingly. I for one would be happy to take it to Boz. Just cause his paid to teach etc does not mean his going to be the fastest in the class on the day. (no offence intended to John obviously, his taught me a thing or too as well... but mearly pointing out a fact)

I agree on the driving other peoples cars but not his own.

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Duncan Grand Master

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lol but my production car with under 250 at the wheels and over 1500kg has to run open class

rules are rules, they will always advantage some and disadvantage others, no matter what is chosen. With these cars and the sorts of mods they have there would not be much difference in lap times if the street class ran semi slicks.

don't let that get in the way of what should be a great spectacle.

John - I think the quick street cars will be just under 1.20. semis are worth say 4 seconds a lap but there will be some big power cars in street class too. will be interesting to see

JAGR33 Grand Master

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Looking over the rules for the cars I don't think they would be that much slower. I am thinking cars in the clubman class should be able to do a 1.16-17.

The Lotus is eligable to run in clubman and would do a 16 standing on its head with those tyres.

Fark, better get some practice laps at OPGP me thinks.... :)

Looking forward to the event, especially having some fun on the track and seeing some of the fastest time attack cars in the country..

Bozman1 Proficient

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The clubman class could get some seriously fast street cars. I look at the rules that they use in Japan for street cars for time attack style events... have you seen how fast some of there cars are now :D

I have raced at Tsukuba about 6 times now and have seen first hand how fast there street cars are :P

Hey if Lofty can do 1.17's in his NA 2 litre Toyota Starlet in IPRA form on crap controlled Yokies, why couldn't a car with alot more freedoms and HP/PS/KW go alot faster :)

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