madbung Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Heavy Duty Organic clutch kit (240rwkw), $335 Heavy Duty 5 Puk Button clutch kit (300rwkw) , $439 Heavy Duty Cushion Button clutch kit (260rwkw) , $445 Exedy (SC) Cerametallic 3 Puk Button clutch kit (330rwkw), $610 http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Ch...us-t200652.html From sliding performance, all are far better than a stock Nissan clutch... and at a far more reasonable price. All Sliding's advertised prices are around what I'd generally pay elsewhere. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3859110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatboy Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 (edited) They're quite cheap. Hopefully sliding Performance make decent products. How much would installation be? Edited May 12, 2008 by Phatboy Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3860528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekin Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 They're quite cheap. Hopefully sliding Performance make decent products.How much would installation be? installation ranges from $300 - $600 depending on place Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3860616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibino Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I really don't think it's gonna fry your pads or make your gearbox/clutch explode if you do it either way... If it did it would probably take eleventy billion years. Or better yet, don't change gears or brake at all... or turn your car on because it puts wear and tear on it... Fear mongering I think. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3860848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo_brian Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 If it's wet I put the clutch in and rip the handbrake on then hold the car at a 45 degree angle as I approach the lights. Tyres don't wear in the wet, LOL!!!! I know your taking the p1ss, but something quite sad is there are people that get out in the rain and do their burnouts, not because the car is just so sh1t it cant spin in the dry (that's only 1/4 of the reason) but because they genuinely believe they are NOT wearing tires out, because tires dont wear if it's wet. There ARE sad people around. Back on Topic, I use the gears to slow me down, it's how I was shown to drive, and I feel I have control over the car, if something comes up and I suddenly need to accelerate, I am in gear and I just put the foot on the correct pedal, no shuffling for gears, having to guess the correct gear, it's already there. Some of the arguments against backing off in the gears are that the box wasn't designed for reverse power transfer (power from wheels to motor), that replacing brake pads is quicker and cheaper than a clutch/gearbox, etc but there is also the issue of the law requiring that the driver always be 100% in control of the vehicle, and this also includes being in gear when applicable (you can neautral at the traffic lights with the clutch out, but otherwise unless driving changing gears, the vehicle should always have a gear engaged (not that this law is ever policed, but it's another law that's there if the cops are clutching at straws to book someone). B. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3861777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbung Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 LOL!!!! I know your taking the p1ss, but something quite sad is there are people that get out in the rain and do their burnouts, not because the car is just so sh1t it cant spin in the dry (that's only 1/4 of the reason) but because they genuinely believe they are NOT wearing tires out, because tires dont wear if it's wet. There ARE sad people around. Back on Topic, I use the gears to slow me down, it's how I was shown to drive, and I feel I have control over the car, if something comes up and I suddenly need to accelerate, I am in gear and I just put the foot on the correct pedal, no shuffling for gears, having to guess the correct gear, it's already there. Some of the arguments against backing off in the gears are that the box wasn't designed for reverse power transfer (power from wheels to motor), that replacing brake pads is quicker and cheaper than a clutch/gearbox, etc but there is also the issue of the law requiring that the driver always be 100% in control of the vehicle, and this also includes being in gear when applicable (you can neautral at the traffic lights with the clutch out, but otherwise unless driving changing gears, the vehicle should always have a gear engaged (not that this law is ever policed, but it's another law that's there if the cops are clutching at straws to book someone). B. Haha gold....that's not smoke coming off my tyres man it's evaporating rain causing steam!! As for the car control neutral issue...that's exactly how I was taught over 20yrs ago. So it must be right Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3862148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesmerized Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 if i've got plenty of room in front of me i'll swtich it into neutral when coming to a stop, otherwise i'll use gears to slow me down Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3862171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
some_cs_student Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Probably more chance of warp/hotspots from using the coast/brake method than a combo of gearing and brakes...less load on the brakes = less heatsoak through pads/rotors and calipers. Lol, heatsoak? When stopping at traffic lights? I don't see how that could happen on the streets doing normal driving or even spirited driving. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3864002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenwaffles Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 down shifting all the way! its how professioanl drivers drive... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3865139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Keets Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 If your not in gear you have no control. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3865243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbung Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Lol, heatsoak? When stopping at traffic lights? I don't see how that could happen on the streets doing normal driving or even spirited driving. I live in the hills, heatsoak isn't hard to achieve... Done much spirited driving? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3866613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
some_cs_student Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I live in the hills, heatsoak isn't hard to achieve...Done much spirited driving? Oh ok, I keep forgetting I'm running aftermarket slotted rotors, braided lines, and I don't know what pads I'm running (came with the car from Japan). Yes I have done spirited driving and a track day at Sandown, the pads last 4 hot laps before they start getting soft on street tyres. I don't live in the hills but I keep forgetting that when I bought my 'line it wasn't stock in the first place so I'll withdraw that comment, I don't know what stock brakes feel like. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3866709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTS4WD Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Can I just ask something.. People are saying alot of "staying in control you need to be in gear" and "in case i need to accelerate".. One question.. When do you ever need to accelerate when there is a red light and cars already stationary at the lights?.. For what reason would you ever want/NEED to accelerate towards a stationary/a red light with cars comming from both left and right sides? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3866718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatboy Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Yeah, I agree, which is why I coast. As well as the fact that I suck at heel and toeing so when I downshift the car jerks a crapload. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3867814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind_elk Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Can I just ask something..People are saying alot of "staying in control you need to be in gear" and "in case i need to accelerate".. One question.. When do you ever need to accelerate when there is a red light and cars already stationary at the lights?.. For what reason would you ever want/NEED to accelerate towards a stationary/a red light with cars comming from both left and right sides? Some idiot starts reversing out of a drive beside you? Some idiot pulls out from a parking space beside you?Frankly, what does down-shifting do other than waste fuel on the heel-toe? If you are in a position where you need to stop fairly quickly, you probably don't have time to down-change. If you have plenty of time, friction (in the drive train) will do most of the slowing for you. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3868389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigem Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Yeah, I agree, which is why I coast. As well as the fact that I suck at heel and toeing so when I downshift the car jerks a crapload. i like to do abit of downshifting or braking in gear then clutching it as i come to a stop, rolling in neutral will fail you your driving test in WA. also when downshifting you dont need to heel toe, i take the foot off the brake for a split sec to rev-match and put it back. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3868763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
some_cs_student Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Some idiot starts reversing out of a drive beside you? Some idiot pulls out from a parking space beside you? And you swerve onto the other side of the road into oncoming traffic (with some space there to make it back), you need to accelerate to get back into the LHS of the road before the oncoming traffic hits you but your in neutral and.... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3873300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles89 Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 i like to do abit of downshifting or braking in gear then clutching it as i come to a stop, rolling in neutral will fail you your driving test in WA. but to be honest...we are not talking about a driving test here. and the things you do in a driving test, you most likely won't do in day to day driving. for example...having your radio OFF while driving Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3873965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
star32 Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Just think about what is cheaper at the end of the day, your engine or your brakes. Engine was designed to accelerate not deccelerate. Even race cars, if they can get around the matter of having to lose all that energy, for the spped theay are normaly doing ( which you dont have slowing down on a red light ) they will not opt to gear down but coast it around the corners. Most drag cars shut down their engines once over the finish line, but that is a slightly more complicated matter, so I will not go there. Brakes are cheap, use them. You odds of having to avoid anybody doing anything stuppid, at 30 - 40 kph is very small to nonexistent. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3873987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind_elk Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Or some young idiot, in a hotted up hoon-mobile, comes around the corner totally out of control. If you can't accelerate and get out of the way, say goodbye to your wheels. How about a $$$ reason - when you are slowing down with clutch still engaged, the injectors are not working, until revs drop to around 1500. If you clutch in, the engine goes to "idle", and the injectors start working to keep the engine running. So, coasting into a stop with clutch engaged saves fuel. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/218643-downshift-or-coast-in-neutral-when-coming-to-stop-light/page/2/#findComment-3874763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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