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OK here is the story. I have got myself a Emanage blue and all the cables and plan on wiring it myself, but I will then need to get it tuned at CRD. My question is, there is no "on/off" switch as such. Can I run the car with the plugs disconnected after it is wired? Should I just put a switch on the 12 volt line? Or should I forget the wiring and get CRD to install the whole thing and tune. I have a lot of experience in soldering car stereo's etc and have wired my EVC already, though this is a different kettle of fish as they say.

And please no smart ass "just get a power fc" comments. I wanted an Emanage, so get over it.

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I have all necessary cabling including the RB25 Neo ignition adapter that is required to prevent the killing of said coil packs. The question I have is about running the car with the Emanage disconnected.

Swiper the Fox Grand Master

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I have all necessary cabling including the RB25 Neo ignition adapter that is required to prevent the killing of said coil packs. The question I have is about running the car with the Emanage disconnected.

install and then get it towed there or use a gas soldering iron and do it in the carpark at CRD...simple

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I have all necessary cabling including the RB25 Neo ignition adapter that is required to prevent the killing of said coil packs. The question I have is about running the car with the Emanage disconnected.

That purpose of that adapter is to stop the check engine light coming up, doesn't stop you nuking coils.

You need to put a 3.3V Zener diode in, wired in reverse bias with the ignition signal wire to each pack. This lets an overflow voltage of 1.7v (instead of 5v) to trigger the coils and no constant parasitic current flow that will melt them in minutes.

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THAT IS 100% BULLSHIT.

Common knowledge that it keeps a constant (dwell) current flowing to the packs, the type afflicted are R33 Series 2, R34's, S15's etc etc where the ignitor is inbuilt. Other cars to cop it use a similar setup, most notebly the Mazda RX-8 where I think the issue was first seen overseas.

I've seen R34's with smoking packs after a 10 minute dyno run with a freshly installed (correctly) blue.

The ignitor signal is also quite a high voltage in comparison to the trigger voltage....5v minimum on the emanage blue, it should be sitting around 1.5-17v MAX

So unless Firmware updates have solved the issue (and even if they have) are you really going to argue putting in a $1.20 mod just in case?

Covered many times on e-manage forums as well, after I first discovered the issue some time back

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/emanage/message/5191

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/emanage/message/5927

666DAN Grand Master

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fitted heaps with no issues. done about 10 S15's in the last 2 months, 4or 5 R34 GTT's and a few Rx8's (turboed) all with no issues....

Must have fixed the firmware to prevent the leaking current? I wouldn't count on the packs lasting too long if they haven't regluated the voltage to under 2 volts though.

Why are you still selling/installing the blue...surely you can convince the owners the benefits of the ultimate over something so outdated?

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Must have fixed the firmware to prevent the leaking current? I wouldn't count on the packs lasting too long if they haven't regluated the voltage to under 2 volts though.

Why are you still selling/installing the blue...surely you can convince the owners the benefits of the ultimate over something so outdated?

customers pockets :) lol but seriously the blue plug-ins (R33 and S15 $699 retail) have had bit of a resurgence lately and are so easy to fitand tune a customer can drive out for just over a grand and mod dependant im happy to use them up to 260-280rwkw.... never had a failure or an hurt engine, in fact i can match a PFC KW for KW with the humble blue up to 260-280rwkw on a R33, s13 or S15 .

The craziest thing ive had to do with blue was a full budget built NA s13 SR20 (std 120000km engine) with 740cc nismos, Z32, TD06-17c and 17psi (stupid ebay gate) and the thing was quite an animal.... made me nervous as hell but the customer did all the work and accepted all responsibility for potential disaster... the thing actually sung like a champion and idled like a stocky even with injectors 3times bigger than std which as you know is supposedly no-go with the blue..

i definately prefer the ultimate but the blue is way underated... especially for its $$$$

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No, it's not bullshit. eManage causes the duty cycle to run too long and the coils die after about 50kms or so, one by one. Like mine did.

yes it is BULLSHIT ive been installing them for nearly 7 years without ONE failure.... ONLY way for it to die is if the adapter is not fitted.

mind you i do more remaps on the R34 now as they are cheaper.

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Question... I've had my eManage Blue fitted as part of my turbo conversion in January this year using the ignition harness, optional fuel harness and the ignition signal adapter. Same day one of the packs died (smoke was evident from the coilpack cover).

I had a spare one put in temporarily till I got splitfires, which before I had the chance to get in, I lost 3 coilpacks in the space of 10 minutes last Friday night. Same deal lotsa smoke from the coilpacks and the typical smell.

Now I've got the splitfires in again and it's all good, but I'm worried about losing coilpacks again.

I asked my tuner which firmware they used, they told me 1.11

Now a bit of research on the GReddy site reveals that there have been several updates since.

Should I look at getting the latest firmware flashed and be done with it? Or should I look also at the zenner diodes?

Is wiring in the zenner diodes just as simple as cutting each wire on the ignitino signal adapter and soldering them in between? If this simple cheap mod fixes/prevents the problem it's better than smoking more coilpacks!

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reason why they 'may' fry the coilpacks is because its not tuned correctly.

if you were in meblourne, id say take it to trent (status tuning, uras) hands down you will get the most out of it.

but not sure who tunes these in sydney?

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/ma...56-t161460.html

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I've been driving it a bit over month now. The first went the same day. They cleaned up the tune a bit more not long after cause I felt that it was running a bit rich. and it's been over a month since. Just those 3 that went like dominoes last Friday night.

I've been doing more reading on the eManage also on other non-skyline specific sites and other cars have had the issue as well. Some refer to it as the eDamage.

A few people have found the car runs smoother, boosts smoother and doesn't stutter or anything when they bypass the ignition harness.

Problem for me though is that I need the ignition timing control as I'm running a DE+t set up...so right now anything that is going to stop the coilpacks from popping is going to help.

I haven't been able to find any reference to a fix from GReddy themselves yet, so I don't know that updating firmware is definitely going to fix the problem or not. I've heard of people with R34's that have updated firmware and a year later still going well.

If I was in Melbourne there's a few places I would have like to go to, provided they'd tune a DE+t (my biggest problem was finding a tuner for the emanage let along a DE+t with emanage). I'm in Brisbane though.

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