Remote Start Alarm:

[Chris Rogers]

I understand that. (bear in mind I fit these for a living.) considering you have 1 point stopping me from taking that car and its on the starter theres not much stopping me. find the relay harnesse short it out and roll start the car - see ya!

[DAS KAMU]

I understand that. (bear in mind I fit these for a living.) considering you have 1 point stopping me from taking that car and its on the starter theres not much stopping me. find the relay harnesse short it out and roll start the car - see ya!

man i wonder how many car theives are reading this?

[Chris Rogers]

fair few I reckon. what I have said is common knowledge anyway. thats why I keep saying 480XV. very little info on it and it takes a proper installer to correctly fit it. the 791 is all over hte net and you can pull an installation manual off the net easily for it

[Johnney_aussie]

what are you talking about? the car shuts down if it moves and the key isnt in the ignition.

The other thing to consider is that remote start alarms jsut make the car easier to steal .

Thief finds remote start module, triggers it and car starts..

No need for hot wiring.

It would be like having a guard dog with no teeth.

Edited November 7, 2008 by Johnney_aussie

[Johnney_aussie]

Mr do it for a living man, do that and ill murder you! Ill look at the alarm you have told me to get, i like how its 2-way thats something i want. Cheers for the info.

I understand that. (bear in mind I fit these for a living.) considering you have 1 point stopping me from taking that car and its on the starter theres not much stopping me. find the relay harnesse short it out and roll start the car - see ya!

[Chris Rogers]

to be honest there is a yellow 32 in ipswich that had one of these things fitted. I had to put a stereo in it so I thought I would show the owner how easily it could be disabled. people in the yellow building fitted it. I had the ENTIRE unit out in my hand in 10 sec, the car hot wired , running and the siren screaming in the background . all I had to do was drive off and the owner watched in disgust as I did it.

think its just me that does this - think again. I know of several cars that disappeared like this due to poor alarm choice and VERY poor installation. now what alarm are you looking at again?

[Chris Rogers]

what are you talking about? the car shuts down if it moves and the key isnt in the ignition.

not if the module is in my hand.

[Chris Rogers]

nathan,

I suggest you have a search to work out who I am. I'm actually making you think about your choices

[Johnney_aussie]

not if the module is in my hand.

He didnt know that.

nathan,

I suggest you have a search to work out who I am. I'm actually making you think about your choices

I dont need to search who you are i see it in your signature, ive taken your information down i see the viper alarm i wanted is shit for my car and im not buying it. Ill have a look at the alarm you referred to me because as i said it sounds good and 2-way alarm is what i wanted! You guys keep going on about this alarm dude im not buying you had me convinced on the #13 post when i said that im gonna sus out the store when im ready i edit that, maby you didnt see it. Ooh well just bought a new battery for the skyline now next should be the alarm system. Thanks for the information Chris.

Edited November 8, 2008 by Johnney_aussie

[turbo_brian]

Any alarm system will help your car, BUT not any alarm system will give you ultimate protection.

Having said that, you can have the worlds best alarm system, has every single feature known to mankind, but it's useless if the installer is a moron and just shoves everything under the bonnet.

What good is security if someone finds the controlling unit within 30 seconds of looking, sure the siren will be going off, but who bothered looking for "yet another car alarm going off again".

The main part of any alarm system is the actual installation of the car. it's the same story as car audio, if your installation is awesome, you will get the most benifit from the alarm/audio.

B.

[Chris Rogers]

no problems.

[MANWHORE]

I couldn't agree more. People rave on about the importance of black wired alarms when I've seen installs where the installer has just spliced the alarm into the ignition loom right near the key barrel, spliced the door sensor down at the skyline kick panel and spliced the indicators at the back of the fuse box and shoved the alarm unit under the dash.

The colour of wiring doesn't matter here, because the thief doesn't care about your alarm - in fact, it has now become easier to steal, because the thief has now exposed the wires on the ignition loom and they don't even have to be cut anymore. They can just slice off the electrical tape with a razor and use aligator clips.

Any alarm system will help your car, BUT not any alarm system will give you ultimate protection.

Having said that, you can have the worlds best alarm system, has every single feature known to mankind, but it's useless if the installer is a moron and just shoves everything under the bonnet.

What good is security if someone finds the controlling unit within 30 seconds of looking, sure the siren will be going off, but who bothered looking for "yet another car alarm going off again".

The main part of any alarm system is the actual installation of the car. it's the same story as car audio, if your installation is awesome, you will get the most benifit from the alarm/audio.

B.

[turbo_brian]

I couldn't agree more. People rave on about the importance of black wired alarms when I've seen installs where the installer has just spliced the alarm into the ignition loom right near the key barrel, spliced the door sensor down at the skyline kick panel and spliced the indicators at the back of the fuse box and shoved the alarm unit under the dash.

The colour of wiring doesn't matter here, because the thief doesn't care about your alarm - in fact, it has now become easier to steal, because the thief has now exposed the wires on the ignition loom and they don't even have to be cut anymore. They can just slice off the electrical tape with a razor and use aligator clips.

I ued to love using old Loom wire for my alarm system installs, would convert the alarm lead lines to a certain loom wire, run it into the actual loom, re-wrap the loom so that it looks stock, and at splice points, I would split the normal wire, then place in spliced scrap bits along the way as well, so there would be 3 or 4 spliced sections with some dodgey 'immatation" splices in spots that where more obviously going to be the splicing positions, but they would be nothing but iscolated wire that's not even connected to anything.

I seriously love the installers that attack the ignition barrel about 5 - 10cm from the barrel, this is installer fail number 1, it exposes the wires for the thief to hotwire immediately, no guessing, you have the constant wire, acc and on, simply roll the car and she's going.

I also love the installers that head for the ECU for disable points, how obvious is it when you see a blue with white wire come from ECU, and splice into a black wire, and about 10cm away, a black wire connects to the blue with white wire, guess what, I am sure if you joined the 2 blue and white wires together, you have over-ridden a section of the alarm, and it didn't even take rocket science to work out.

The last installation I did for a friend took almost 2 weeks (Toyota Soarer), we removed the entire dashboard, spliced the alarm system in up under the top of the dash, ran a lot of stuff into and under the centre console, and then from there back to the lower section of the dash, so anyone tracing the flashing red light would find it looks to head to the boot or back of the car.

We connected the relays under the dash, next to stock relays so they look like they belong with the car. We also replaced ALL the relays in the car with brand new, because 3 or 4 black shiny relays next to 5 dull looking relays is a giveaway to which are stock, and which are aftermarket.

There are plenty of other hints for installation of an alarm system, but giving these away, will give away ways to gain unauthorised functions from the vehicle, which would be stupid to put up on a public forum, but escentially, get yourself a good installer for ANY alarm system.

[MANWHORE]

I like the way you think matey. I've done similar installs to what you've done.

One trick that has saved my daily driver is the good old second crappy alarm. I installed my alarm properly in a hidden place. Then, grabbed a rubbish alarm off ebay for like $30. I then installed that second alarm in the really obvious way with splices at the key barrel, etc etc. I installed the siren for the good alarm inside the car, but all the way hidden e.g. I took my dash out and it is all the way up above the air con vents.

I ued to love using old Loom wire for my alarm system installs, would convert the alarm lead lines to a certain loom wire, run it into the actual loom, re-wrap the loom so that it looks stock, and at splice points, I would split the normal wire, then place in spliced scrap bits along the way as well, so there would be 3 or 4 spliced sections with some dodgey 'immatation" splices in spots that where more obviously going to be the splicing positions, but they would be nothing but iscolated wire that's not even connected to anything.

I seriously love the installers that attack the ignition barrel about 5 - 10cm from the barrel, this is installer fail number 1, it exposes the wires for the thief to hotwire immediately, no guessing, you have the constant wire, acc and on, simply roll the car and she's going.

I also love the installers that head for the ECU for disable points, how obvious is it when you see a blue with white wire come from ECU, and splice into a black wire, and about 10cm away, a black wire connects to the blue with white wire, guess what, I am sure if you joined the 2 blue and white wires together, you have over-ridden a section of the alarm, and it didn't even take rocket science to work out.

The last installation I did for a friend took almost 2 weeks (Toyota Soarer), we removed the entire dashboard, spliced the alarm system in up under the top of the dash, ran a lot of stuff into and under the centre console, and then from there back to the lower section of the dash, so anyone tracing the flashing red light would find it looks to head to the boot or back of the car.

We connected the relays under the dash, next to stock relays so they look like they belong with the car. We also replaced ALL the relays in the car with brand new, because 3 or 4 black shiny relays next to 5 dull looking relays is a giveaway to which are stock, and which are aftermarket.

There are plenty of other hints for installation of an alarm system, but giving these away, will give away ways to gain unauthorised functions from the vehicle, which would be stupid to put up on a public forum, but escentially, get yourself a good installer for ANY alarm system.

[Chris Rogers]

you think like I fit.. there's an evo running around victoria done that way. spent 3 days on it.

I ued to love using old Loom wire for my alarm system installs, would convert the alarm lead lines to a certain loom wire, run it into the actual loom, re-wrap the loom so that it looks stock, and at splice points, I would split the normal wire, then place in spliced scrap bits along the way as well, so there would be 3 or 4 spliced sections with some dodgey 'immatation" splices in spots that where more obviously going to be the splicing positions, but they would be nothing but iscolated wire that's not even connected to anything.

I seriously love the installers that attack the ignition barrel about 5 - 10cm from the barrel, this is installer fail number 1, it exposes the wires for the thief to hotwire immediately, no guessing, you have the constant wire, acc and on, simply roll the car and she's going.

I also love the installers that head for the ECU for disable points, how obvious is it when you see a blue with white wire come from ECU, and splice into a black wire, and about 10cm away, a black wire connects to the blue with white wire, guess what, I am sure if you joined the 2 blue and white wires together, you have over-ridden a section of the alarm, and it didn't even take rocket science to work out.

The last installation I did for a friend took almost 2 weeks (Toyota Soarer), we removed the entire dashboard, spliced the alarm system in up under the top of the dash, ran a lot of stuff into and under the centre console, and then from there back to the lower section of the dash, so anyone tracing the flashing red light would find it looks to head to the boot or back of the car.

We connected the relays under the dash, next to stock relays so they look like they belong with the car. We also replaced ALL the relays in the car with brand new, because 3 or 4 black shiny relays next to 5 dull looking relays is a giveaway to which are stock, and which are aftermarket.

There are plenty of other hints for installation of an alarm system, but giving these away, will give away ways to gain unauthorised functions from the vehicle, which would be stupid to put up on a public forum, but escentially, get yourself a good installer for ANY alarm system.

[Johnney_aussie]

Haahaa nice

I like the way you think matey. I've done similar installs to what you've done.

One trick that has saved my daily driver is the good old second crappy alarm. I installed my alarm properly in a hidden place. Then, grabbed a rubbish alarm off ebay for like $30. I then installed that second alarm in the really obvious way with splices at the key barrel, etc etc. I installed the siren for the good alarm inside the car, but all the way hidden e.g. I took my dash out and it is all the way up above the air con vents.

[DaveB]

you think like I fit.. there's an evo running around victoria done that way. spent 3 days on it.

If I lived nearer Brisbane, I would be coming to you to get an alarm/immobiliser installed in my stagea! Unfortunately I'm in Adelaide... could you make any recommendation(s) about places Down South? I am thinking of ordering a Mongoose M80G (cheap online) and doing the install myself, and thus more 'customised'.

sorry, back on topic...

[Trav33]

If I lived nearer Brisbane, I would be coming to you to get an alarm/immobiliser installed in my stagea! Unfortunately I'm in Adelaide... could you make any recommendation(s) about places Down South? I am thinking of ordering a Mongoose M80G (cheap online) and doing the install myself, and thus more 'customised'.

sorry, back on topic...

Chris flys to Adelaide to do installs...

[Chris Rogers]

i do indeed (when I have a place to do them.)

[Johnney_aussie]

i do indeed (when I have a place to do them.)

You fly, how much do you ask for that!

Edited November 16, 2008 by Johnney_aussie