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here - http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyre...8340/0/VSI8.pdf

says you can put in something considerably different with VASS cert - if emissions are maintained.

NSW restricts literage via vehicle mass. ie mass x percentage = maximum motor volume.

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Ive attached the section (11) to make life easier...

BUT - the shit stink part is you gotta consult the VASS first for something like that

When i had my VASS done, i was chatting to the guy for hours about it all as he was surprised i was actally interested rather than some dude just doing it because the cops told him too.

He was telling me that they wont sign off on big injected LS1's into little torana's and stuff anymore as the risk is just too great for them and so on and the motors are just too powerful. So you'd probably have to either know a VASS engineer pretty well, or pay a substancial amount to get it through.

That still doesnt apply to RB30 though... As there are not regulations which is what i said earlier :nyaanyaa:

Motors must be factory, retain factory emission controls etc etc.

And bubba - it hurt to the tune of 15k outta my back pocket to have street legal 250rwkw (with room to make a lot more at the track if i want hehe).

250rwkw is a good street setup IMO.

At least the EPA & the poleeezzz can't really touch me anymore. Worst they can do its report me for an exhaust test, but then the EPA guy @ the EPA test station (i also had a 2hr chat with him lol) said if i keep getting hassled to go back to him and then we would talk further.

So no doubt there might be a way to 'stop' EPA's, but im unsure and unclear on what he meant by this.

Although so far ive cracked out my pervious EPA test sheet which shows my 3.5" @ 89dB, and the law has seen good enough to leave me be.

The EPA dude didnt think id have any trouble though as 3.5" @ 92dB, even he was shocked and in awe @ the exhaust... being the EPA guy was actually a mechanic by trade before taking on that job.

Whilst the laws are bad and very much archaic in thier application and references, at least the guys administering it all aren't assholes if you go in there prepared to learn and understand it all. They are just doing thier job afterall as anyone else does following the laws/rules of thier workplace.

As always - happy to sit down with Vic people, hell i might even do a Q&A @ a SAU-Vic meeting and get as much info as i can for people to help em :rofl:

well the VIC documentation is shit compared to NSW, but it does state in that attachement of section 11 - "vehicle in its modified form is safe and meets all the applicable construction and emission regulations for that model"

so it runs from teh chassis year, not the engine.

same in nsw - emissions is based of car model manufacture not engine type - LS6 in a HQ with no cats and no noise restrictions :nyaanyaa:

Better to be safe than sorry I spose Ash :)

Raz, they didn't batt an eyelid at my 30 here in WA but that could be because it all looked pretty stock under there.. I was surprised at how easily they passed it but haven't heard from anyone else with a 30 in a 32 as far as legalities. The block/head/pistons were part of a 30 setup in my mates VH commodore which was legal (even took it over the pits making 365rwkw lol) but that's an older car with a bigger capacity engine from factory..

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well the VIC documentation is shit compared to NSW, but it does state in that attachement of section 11 - "vehicle in its modified form is safe and meets all the applicable construction and emission regulations for that model"

so it runs from teh chassis year, not the engine.

same in nsw - emissions is based of car model manufacture not engine type - LS6 in a HQ with no cats and no noise restrictions ;)

NSW clearly states, in VSI 06 (Search for it on the RTA website) that emissions must meet that of whichever is NEWER.

IE, LS6 into HQ = Meets LS6 emissions.

Old 350 into a new VE Commodore, = Meets VE Commodore emissions.

The VSI 06 document clearly states this, and as we know, it's much easier to get a new engine and keep it at its emissions standard, rather then bring an old engine up to new standards. Hence why most people claim that you can only put an engine into a different car if the engine is newer then the car... As it's simpler, and they have NFI...

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Just got back from the vehicle engineer passed without any trouble (This is NSW standards). All I had to do was meet the following requirements:

All R33 factory fitted emissions gear still in place (cabon canister etc)

Positive crank case ventilation system still in place

Provide documents showing size of R31 RB30E brakes compared to R33 GTST brakes

Exhaust not too loud

The rest all bolts in (engine mounts etc) so no trouble.

All in all pretty informal and straight forward although I know and have worked with the engineer through work for a few years - I cant say that all engineers will be the same.

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I wish Vic was that simple. Its the only reason i loathe living in this state (and the fact ive got yet another fking EPA because the cops have the power to report you without any proof)

Good work on NSW clearance.

Maybe ill have to rego my car in a different state and just be illegal in that way

It will get to that stage if i get another 2-3 EPA's over the next 6 months... and it'll be more than just a complaint i can assure you.

Over two EPA's im not going to get too excited. Id rather go in there with as much victimisation... sorry, i mean 'officers disgression' as possible even if it means i get dicked around two more times.

But it'll be more than a complaiunt... it'll be off to court Me VS Tha Vic Poleeze.

Not the first time we've met in court, and i doubt its the last... ive got a good win ratio of 75% over 15 charges in 5 years raging from wild accusations about my speeding, to wrongful defects and otherwise :laugh:

lol id hate to be the cops getting their ass handed to them ;), just an engineers cert in nsw doesnt make it full legal, they can still send you to the epa, pretty sure the only way to make an aftermarket comp legal is to have it tuned, go to epa they test the car on a dyno for emmissions etc and somthing to do with the comp being locked so you cant mess with it after the test, you could prob get around that last bit and have duel maps if you really wanted to

It will get to that stage if i get another 2-3 EPA's over the next 6 months... and it'll be more than just a complaint i can assure you.

Over two EPA's im not going to get too excited. Id rather go in there with as much victimisation... sorry, i mean 'officers disgression' as possible even if it means i get dicked around two more times.

But it'll be more than a complaiunt... it'll be off to court Me VS Tha Vic Poleeze.

Not the first time we've met in court, and i doubt its the last... ive got a good win ratio of 75% over 15 charges in 5 years raging from wild accusations about my speeding, to wrongful defects and otherwise :domokun:

care to elaborate on said events?

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