Power curve Sydneykid

[BU5TER]

rev210 doesn't Eastern Creek strip slope up just a touch?

R34 done a 1.852 60ft, 110mph and ran a 12.4? but down there done a 1.89 60ft 119mph and does a 11.9 so there must be some difference other then start grip

[rev210]

the answer to the first question is ; no

I'd say they found alot more power for the 119mph run, we are talking a good 80hp or so I reckon at the engine. Possibly they ran lower boost on one of the strips.

[BU5TER]

Yep I know what you mean, I done the same thing with lower boost to get the 12.2 because I was scared of snapping another drive shaft like I had the meet before at high boost

[raist60]

GHEY?! Why come in here, single out sydneykid, ask for his opinion then go ****ing nutz when he doesnt agree with you?

Some people like torquey track suited power

Some people like peakey drag suited power

Its a compromise like everything else in this fun game we play. It doesnt matter what someone else thinks of your dyno graph / quart mile times / turbo / haircut / makeup as long as you enjoy your car.

[BU5TER]

Becuse Sydneykid has posted several times how bad the TD06 turbo is and even at one point said they are off a truck and only good for a truck, I don't like the fact that he does this and wanted to prove a point, I didn't expect him to agree with me I just don't wan him always saying negative things about something he obviously knows little about

[raist60]

LOL if you were gonna have a go at people who talk about stuff they never even touched you'd run out of breath dude. 90% of the stuff in forums is people replaying other peoples "knowledge" and is wrong half the time anyway, why let it get to ya? If your happy with TD06 then who gives a **** what someone else says about it?

After doing work on my car and posting results i got called a lier by the resident "turbo experts" despite having actually done it when in fact they hadnt *shock horror*

/my 2 cents

Its my impression that the TD06 is perfectly good turbo if you are willing to put up with slightly slower spool. Rebuild costs on a TD06 would probably be a lot cheaper than GTs considering you cant service the GT cores.

[Sydneykid]

Hi guys, I knew this would get interesting, it had a nice lead in didn't it?. Sydneykid "Whats your thoughts on those figures?":D

Oh, OK Buster, you caught me out, the last 1/10th at Eastern Creek is very slightly uphill. But still within legal tack requirements, I understand. People blame EC traction for poor times (even Ben), but he had a faster 60ft at EC than at Heathcote. On some days the lanes can be quite different though.

I think the rev, summed it up pretty well "you where ... making less average power".:innocent:

Buster asked, "What is the HPI R34 to you?" I am a consulting race engineer, suspension is my specialty, although I do driver training, data logging and analysis. So when Ben says he is chasing a faster time with suspension tuning, who do you think ultimately answers the question?

I have stayed involved in this discussion because it is an opportunity to show that a car with around the same average power is just as fast as a car with higher maximum power (even 10% more isn't enough).

I don't think I can achieve any more than I already have.

[Sydneykid]

Sorry I thought I was done, but "raist60" posted "you cant service the GT cores".

Next time we are getting one serviced, I will give you a PM and you can drop over and watch.

[BU5TER]

Originally posted by Sydneykid

Hi guys, I knew this would get interesting, it had a nice lead in didn't it?.  Sydneykid "Whats your thoughts on those figures?":D  

I have stayed involved in this discussion because it is an opportunity to show that a car with around the same average power is just as fast as a car with higher maximum power (even 10% more isn't enough).

I don't think I can achieve any more than I already have.

Please humour me for one more post then as I don't understand the above comment are you talking about my car being the underpowered car as when I ran the 12.2 it was at 280rwkw

I have never ran the car with the 327rwkw for you to know what it can do I posted that I was at low boost a few times in the previous posts and low boost is 280rwkw

Heres the figures I had at low boost with the power fc

4000 = 96rwkw

5000 = 184rwkw

6000 = 232rwkw

7000 = 270rwkw

Average 195rwkw so really I was making a lot less power

They are the exact figures I ran the 12.2 your comparing, The figures I quoted at the start of the thread are with the factory ecu and I haven't ran at the creek when I've had it in yet, To be honest I think I wuill go back to the factory rechipped ecu as I like its power better

[BU5TER]

I do apologise for the way I made my point starting this thread I know it was a bit rude or even immature but honestly all I was trying to do is show Sydneykid that the td06 isn't as bad as he makes out

[Sydneykid]

Once more....

Buster your lastest figures with a TD06-20G shows a max power of of 270 rwkw with an average of 195 rwkw (from 4,000 rpm to 7,000 rpm). My example with a Garrett GT3040 showed a max of 280 rwkw (3.7% higher) with an average of 223 rwkw (14.4% higher). This is, and always has been, exactly my point.

My experience has been that Trust turbos give good max power, but there are other turbos that give the same max power but deliver higher average power in the rpm range I use. That makes them both faster and easier to drive.

Maybe other peoples experiences have been different, but the world would be a very dull place if everone agreed all the time.

Sorry if I took up your bandwidth.

[B-Man]

Interesting discussion guys.......

Dare I say it - but why don't you guys run together at Eastern Creek ?? That might be a bit of fun ???

Just a suggestion ! he he !

[BU5TER]

Once again its a TD06 25g

Could you PM me you mobile number or some way of contacting you please as you didn't answer the above question as to which car you were talking about that was under powered that made you stay in the discussion

[Guest 570CK]

Originally posted by Buster

I can get a new td06 25g off Nengun for $2600 delivered

and I just called GCG Turbo's and was quoted $2960 for a Garrett GT3040 so IMO the TD06 is not bad value

And when that GT3040 needs rebuilding what would the cost be compared to the TD06 being rebuilt?

$2,304.50 for GT30 turbo at http://www.horsepowerinabox.com/HPIAB2/cat...ategory26_1.htm

I payed 2300 for a GT35 new from them.

Anyway I do agree with most of what Sydneykid has stated.

[raist60]

Sounds like a plan kiddo, will you pay for the flights or come and pick me up?

[BU5TER]

Ok I guess the discussion is over but let me point out you chose to not answer any of the questions I asked about what time the HPI R34 ran at EC and which car you were talking about that had less peak power but was as fast

We both know you were talking about one of your cars that kept you in the discussion and has around the same average power but is just as fast as a car with higher maximum power (even 10% more isn't enough) because it was actually my car that had less average and less higher power but managed to be as fast as one of your fully workshop prepped cars you wouldn't like to admit to that though

I guess I will remember this for future discussions if you just choose not to answer any of the questions you can't look bad

As for you point about Trust turbos give good max power, but there are other turbos that give the same max power but deliver higher average power in the rpm range I use. That makes them both faster and easier to drive.

My first power figures from the remapped factory ecu are a lot higher on average and at peak then your GT3040 and has not been used at the creek yet for you to be able to show or know how fast it will be so don't bother picking one RPM and saying but down here because as quoted by you in the 1st post Tell me the average power over the useable rpm range, now that's something meaningful.

So for fun why don't we just say my use able rpm range is 4500- 7500rpm (which it is)

4500 = 176rwkw

5500 = 264rwkw

6500 = 312rwkw

7500 = 327rwkw

Average 269rwkw so peak power and average is a lot better then your beloved GT3040 and I find the car very easy to drive on the street because of the suspension set up and tyres I use, now for how fast it is at the Creek we wont know for a couple of weeks but I'm sure I'll let you know

[Roy]

Fair call about 2nd hand prices, but what i paid in indicative of what you would expect to pay for a 2nd hand TD06-20g setup.

I have seen several others kits advertised at a similar price, some including injectors and/or ECUs and/or AFM and/or BOVs and/or dump pipes and filters.

... and this post isnt intended to be antagonistic, whilst i like Garret/HKS/Apexi BB turbos, i respect the fact the Mitsubishi/Trust turbos can knock out some nice numbers/times/enjoyment

When finally having a long hard look at it, if a plain bearing turbo is good enough for the latest of Evo lancers, then...good enough for me.

Evo lancers still use Mitsubishi turbos (from which Trust are based), though im unsure what model of EVO uses titanium turbines. People seem to he happy with the response and power that the the Evos display.

[meggala]

hmmmmmmmm interesting but possibly turning sour.

sydney kid and buster have a chill guys you are both well meaning buster just got his knickers in a knott dont stress guys .

btw I personally like the td06 series of turbo's

meggala

[Sydneykid]

Hi Buster in your first post you said "if a friend of mine is making", so is it your car or a friends car?

[BU5TER]

Its my car I just didn't want anyone to know at first, but I guess that went out the window 10 posts ago

Look I'm sure we've both made our points several times over, I'll reply in PM from now on but enough is enough