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You're paying too much for RSRs.

Those R888's are grey imported, try price the proper current australian stock australian compounds.

RE55S in 235/45/17 for $330each? No chance, not even close.

You need to do a bit more homework :)

I got my last set of re55's in that size for 365 plus 15 delivery. Not too far off and the cheapest i've seen them in 3 years

They were aus stock shipped direct from bridgestone too.

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hrd-hr30 Grand Master

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You're paying too much for RSRs.

Those R888's are grey imported, try price the proper current australian stock australian compounds.

RE55S in 235/45/17 for $330each? No chance, not even close.

You need to do a bit more homework :(

whatever. the Bridgestones were a special price from Hornibrook Motorsport only a couple of months ago.

the Toyos probably are grey imported, I could care less! they come from the same place as the 'proper australian' ones, in the same GG compound and manufacture dates of less than a year old when i purchased them. maybe you should do some more homework, or sharpen up your own prices.

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_Wing_ Proficient

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whatever. the Bridgestones were a special price from Hornibrook Motorsport only a couple of months ago.

the Toyos probably are grey imported, I could care less! they come from the same place as the 'proper australian' ones, in the same GG compound and manufacture dates of less than a year old when i purchased them. maybe you should do some more homework, or sharpen up your own prices.

whatever? lol

You get more performance for spending more money? Great.

You get double the performance for spending double the money? lol

hrd-hr30 Grand Master

hrd-hr30

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You get more performance for spending more money? Great.

not if you buy the RSRs!

You get double the performance for spending double the money? lol

lol you're the only one who's said that!

WTF does "double the performance" of a tyre mean??? do you generate double the lateral G forces or something? or halve your lap times? maybe only "proper australian" japanese semi slicks have this? lol

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_Wing_

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Are you still going on about this?

I'll quote you line for line then...

WTF does "double the performance" of a tyre mean???

Surely you don't need me to spell it out for you? It means half the lap times, double the cornering G's, half the stopping distance. That's the point I made, you don't get double the performance for double the money, or half the performance for half the money, and I said I don't understand when people say that. You came to my rescue with this...

last time I priced Federals they were almost exactly the same as what I got quoted for Toyo R888 and RE55S. Up around $330 per tyre in 235/45*17

It's been established that your price for 595RSR is too much (cost less than $250).

It's been established that your price for R888 is about right.

It's been established that your price for RE55S is too little (cost more than $360).

That is not "almost exactly the same".

You can get tyres that perform almost exactly the same as the RSR for almost exactly half the money.

Half the money for RSR and do you get half the performance? No. Anywhere near half? No.

Change your word "half", to "double", and you get...

Double the money for RSR and do you get double the performance? No. Anywhere near double? No.

OR you can get tyres for exactly the same money as the RSR that will run rings around them.

Less than $250 for RSR and more than $360 for RE55S is hardly "exactly the same money" or "almost exactly" or anywhere near "exactly".

"run rings around them"? How fast can you lap on RSR? How fast can you lap on RE55S? How many laps will it take for your RE55S-equipped car to overtake your RSR-equipped car. How many rings does that equal? I'd take a wild guess and say none.

understand?

Perfectly, thanks for agreeing with your interesting use of the words "exactly" and "run rings" and "half".

hrd-hr30 Grand Master

hrd-hr30

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Are you still going on about this?

lol, what do you mean "still"? That was last Thursday genius, and only a matter of hours after your post. I'm sorry I wasn't on here in the middle of the night to respond to your 11pm comment. wow...

I'll quote you line for line then...

Surely you don't need me to spell it out for you? It means half the lap times, double the cornering G's, half the stopping distance. That's the point I made, you don't get double the performance for double the money, or half the performance for half the money, and I said I don't understand when people say that.

that's really quite odd, because you're the only one who's saying "double the performance".

It's been established that your price for 595RSR is too much (cost less than $250).
have NFI what they 'cost' you, but they retail for $287 at the best price you'll find advertised up here from the retailer recommended by the QLD distributor - I know you want to make sure you are getting "proper australian" ones! lol That's a whopping $43 cheaper than the last time I got a price on them - shoot me! But still $123 more per tyre than a KU36 at $164. And still not a great deal better than double the price if you ask me. In fact one might say it's "almost" double the price, eh?
It's been established that your price for RE55S is too little (cost more than $360).

That is not "almost exactly the same".

360 is not almost the same as 330?

Half the money for RSR and do you get half the performance? No. Anywhere near half? No.

Change your word "half", to "double", and you get...

Double the money for RSR and do you get double the performance? No. Anywhere near double? No.

where did I say half the performance? read what you're quoting ffs.

"run rings around them"? How fast can you lap on RSR? How fast can you lap on RE55S? How many laps will it take for your RE55S-equipped car to overtake your RSR-equipped car. How many rings does that equal? I'd take a wild guess and say none.

its a colloquialism mate. didn't mean to confuse you... but what can you expect from a bloke who thinks 360 isn't almost 330?

deadset _Wing_nut_!

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siksII Grand Master

siksII

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In my experience you cannot beat the KU-36 for price/performance. If they were the same price, I would choose the RS-Rs over the KU-36s. Outright grip from both is awesome for a street tyre but the RS-Rs feel better to me.

I cant put my finger on it but they feel the closer to an R comp in feel(not necessarily grip) than the KU-36s do even though they both have similarly soft sidewalls.

If you want good performance on the track dont bother with either of these, use R comps. Even some second hand ones if you can get them will feel and hopefully grip better.

_Wing_ Proficient

_Wing_

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Mr finding the best deals can't even see this under his nose? because you said you have NFI I'll give you an idea... <$250 for a RSR in your 235/45/17:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Fe...10-t302735.html

this is what I said:

I don't understand when people say stuff like "If I'm paying double the price of KU36 for X or Y tyre then they better be double the performance!" There's not much that I can think of when talking about performance, where you get double the goodness for double the price - it doesn't work that way unfortunately.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

PS Falling back on the good ol' name calling really shows off your maturity :P

Gunnar_11 Enthusiast

Gunnar_11

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In my experience you cannot beat the KU-36 for price/performance. If they were the same price, I would choose the RS-Rs over the KU-36s. Outright grip from both is awesome for a street tyre but the RS-Rs feel better to me.

I cant put my finger on it but they feel the closer to an R comp in feel(not necessarily grip) than the KU-36s do even though they both have similarly soft sidewalls.

If you want good performance on the track dont bother with either of these, use R comps. Even some second hand ones if you can get them will feel and hopefully grip better.

Cheersfor that. I ended up going the KU36 because there's a fair few expenses coming up so needed something cheap. Next tie round I'll fork out for something better.

As for the tyres themselves, I'm very happy with them and including price I'm truly stunned. Then again I had bald POS jobs on the car before.

siksII Grand Master

siksII

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Cheersfor that. I ended up going the KU36 because there's a fair few expenses coming up so needed something cheap. Next tie round I'll fork out for something better.

As for the tyres themselves, I'm very happy with them and including price I'm truly stunned. Then again I had bald POS jobs on the car before.

You made a good choice - apart from perhaps 1 or 2 models of road tyre from my knowledge the KU-36s have the most dry grip so they are amongst the best money can buy. Its awesome that they are so cheap.

A friend has found that they take a while to wear in, so unless you have given them a few workouts already, they will only get better :)

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Bullet32

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In my experience you cannot beat the KU-36 for price/performance. If they were the same price, I would choose the RS-Rs over the KU-36s. Outright grip from both is awesome for a street tyre but the RS-Rs feel better to me.

I cant put my finger on it but they feel the closer to an R comp in feel(not necessarily grip) than the KU-36s do even though they both have similarly soft sidewalls.

If you want good performance on the track dont bother with either of these, use R comps. Even some second hand ones if you can get them will feel and hopefully grip better.

I think you will find that the Federal 595RS-R has very stiff sidewall rather than a "soft" one due to the steel reinforcement in the wall... Something which I dont think that the Kumho KU36 has.

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siksII

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I think you will find that the Federal 595RS-R has very stiff sidewall rather than a "soft" one due to the steel reinforcement in the wall... Something which I dont think that the Kumho KU36 has.

I was saying they have a soft sidewall only in relation to an r compound tyre. In my opinion, sidewalls felt much better than a normal road tyre, similar to a good sports tyre, but soft compared to an r comp.

I really loved the way they gripped though, the compound feels great for a road tyre.

The ones I have tried were pretty high profile, perhaps there is some differences when you go to a lower profile.

As a side note - this is not scientific at all, but KU-36 sidewalls feel very flexible when you feel the tyre by hand off the car. As a comparison, they definitely feel more flexible than Dunlop Sport Maxx sidewalls which is not even a road/track type tyre.

hrd-hr30 Grand Master

hrd-hr30

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Mr finding the best deals can't even see this under his nose? because you said you have NFI I'll give you an idea... <$250 for a RSR in your 235/45/17:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Fe...10-t302735.html

funny, the price I see there is: 17" 235/45R17 94W FEDERAL 595RS-R $287.00! exactly the same as I got quoted!

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siksII Grand Master

siksII

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funny, the price I see there is: 17" 235/45R17 94W FEDERAL 595RS-R $287.00! exactly the same as I got quoted!

One post further down they have listed their updated prices - $245 for 235/45/17. This is still a fair bit more than the Kumho's though, one of the sponsors has them listed for $164 in that same size.

hrd-hr30 Grand Master

hrd-hr30

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you win wing, they are no longer 'almost double'. They were last time I was buying which was late last year. If the Kumho wasn't so cheap, the RSR would now be a decent option between roadies and semis. But if the Kumho wasn't so cheap I very much doubt the Federal would have reduced its price at all, and would still be priced out of the game.

anyway, the point remains that the kumho offers very similar on-track performance for significantly less money. They last pretty well too which is an important factor for dual purpose tyres.

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