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[sav man]

That's the price of R33's are now, Dad paid just under that for the GT-R we've just built up..... and it was in really good condition

[No Crust Racing]

Yeah I thought that was the prie now days which is why I had my queries about cost vs performance etc.

I'm still undecided

[phunky_monkey]

If you loved your GT-R, then you should get another one. It's a fantastic car with excellent performance and super potential (and I have a big soft spot for 33 GT-R's for some reason). It just may mean if something goes wrong you're going to have to accept it may be costly, but such is life with all racecars.

[No Crust Racing]

Such is the battle of the heart vs brain =\

What bothers me also thogh is the idea that someone in an S-Chassis who has spent a great deal less will chop me at the track, not because he or she is actually a better driver, just because the car is a better platform for racing

I think I said to Sav in PM, lotto would solve this...

[phunky_monkey]

But regardless of whether that is the case or not (which could be hotly debated!!) as long as you're having fun, and you enjoy driving the car then who cares!

There's always going to be someone faster than you so just enjoy. I've been contemplating selling up and moving to a Radical, but though it will be a hell of a lot quicker and infinitley more reliable I think, will it be more fun? I don't know... Fun is everything!

[No Crust Racing]

To an extent that's true but I would also like to step up into things like the Winton Sprint series and be competitive. Sure you can have lot of fun at a fun day not competing but I get a buzz out of competing too and that's a little less fun if you're being pummeled. Evidently, when reading through results from the turbo category, it's an R33 GT-R at the pointy end of the field most rounds...

[hrd-hr30]

Evidently, when reading through results from the turbo category, it's an R33 GT-R at the pointy end of the field most rounds...

maybe so, but do you have the coin to drop on a GTR to compete with those at pointy end?

If not, the solution is easy. Drop an SR + disco potato in the S13 for track days and enjoy hounding as many GTRs and Porsches as possible, and buy a nice GTR for weekend enjoyment.

[No Crust Racing]

maybe so, but do you have the coin to drop on a GTR to compete with those at pointy end?

If not, the solution is easy. Drop an SR + disco potato in the S13 for track days and enjoy hounding as many GTRs and Porsches as possible, and buy a nice GTR for weekend enjoyment.

Well that depends on what exactly is the right amount of coin I guess As it is I have two cars, the S13 and a BA Fairmont I use for towing the S13 to events so I dont have to worry about busting it. 3 Cars is not an option.

[phunky_monkey]

Maybe have a chat with Ant (Ant97) as well, his car is fairly stock-ish and punches out some nice times, and reliability seems very good too (hope I don't jinx you mate!).

[No Crust Racing]

Yeah I've seen his name pop up here and there and met him at my first DECA.

I kept confusing him with Nick who ended up doing a bottom end on the day I think? Having said that, he had much love for the upper end of the rev range..

Here's another thought...

The AWD of the GT-R on a 33 is only really advantageous if the rears are spinning right? Or is there a constant drive to the fronts? If they only engage when the frons are spinning then you're losing time with all the rear end traction lose in a way... And if you're not using he fronts then u'r ust carrying the weight for nothing.

Edited July 28, 2010 by ActionDan

[sav man]

I dataloged the ATTESSA during Targa in the R33 V-Spec N1. I found it's very much based on gears (road speed) and gforces. Under heavy breaking some torque is sent to the front wheel to stableise the car. launching out of 1st 2nd gear corners you don't get a huge amount of awd in comparison to 3rd gear up (unless you clutch kick it). There is some redudual press that keeps a tiny bit of torque to the front wheels, but it mean 3/4 of f-all in the real word. The R33 rips you out of a corner in compaison to the r32 that you tend to have to fight more, cause of the faster/better programed ECU, and being able to shuffle the torque between the rear wheels (A-LSD)

[No Crust Racing]

My 33 GT-R was a V-spec with the A-LSD also and I found it to be awesome coming out of corners at all speeds but I wasn't sure if that was ATTESSA or just a great suspension setup and good tyres all round.

Whenever I watch Tsuchiya-san and his Touge battles a well setup RWD car usually has the edge in the twisty stuff though due to understeer. I think the current Touge monster is an RX7? which took the crown from an R34 GT-R if I recall correctly?

Edited July 28, 2010 by ActionDan

[hrd-hr30]

Well that depends on what exactly is the right amount of coin I guess As it is I have two cars, the S13 and a BA Fairmont I use for towing the S13 to events so I dont have to worry about busting it. 3 Cars is not an option.

well if it has to be one car for both, which is more important - weekends or track use?

Having a nice car for weekends, GTR wins hands down (well, for me anyway!). They are certainly a bit more special than any S chassis. And no SR can compete with the sounds of an RB26 at 8 or 9000rpm every now and then.

Or track use where a mild street trim GTR and for example a 200rwkw S14 are going to be similar in lap speed but the S14 will do it with cheaper purchase price, cheaper brakes, be a little easier on rubber and probably be less prone to engine failure, and much cheaper if the worst does happen. More prone to gearbox failure though.

It comes down to this - if you really want a GTR, an S14 isn't going to hold your interest more than a year or two... if my experience since selling my GTR is anything to go by!

[No Crust Racing]

well if it has to be one car for both, which is more important - weekends or track use?

Having a nice car for weekends, GTR wins hands down (well, for me anyway!). They are certainly a bit more special than any S chassis. And no SR can compete with the sounds of an RB26 at 8 or 9000rpm every now and then.

Or track use where a mild street trim GTR and for example a 200rwkw S14 are going to be similar in lap speed but the S14 will do it with cheaper purchase price, cheaper brakes, be a little easier on rubber and probably be less prone to engine failure, and much cheaper if the worst does happen. More prone to gearbox failure though.

It comes down to this - if you really want a GTR, an S14 isn't going to hold your interest more than a year or two... if my experience since sellign my GTR is anything to by!

I guess to be honest track use is more important since I do my utmost to keep my shenanigans to a legal environment and my license loves me for it now. That said I really miss having something t punt around on the occasional weekend, I'm not even talking every weekend. The S-Chassis in my head just has no class and I generally feel a bit embarassed to drive mine to a workshop etc, I put the street rims on and ditch the spoiler so I don't look like some try hard =\

As girly as it sounds, I think my heart lies with the R, the cost is the barrier, as it is for most of us =\

Who wants an S13 as part trade on an R33 GT-R? lol

[Roy]

Ants GTR is a good example of what you can buy on the market. But its not std. It has an R34 motor with R34 N1s Power Fc, exhaust, some decent suspension under it and a good driver. But it is a pretty good example of what a basic light tune GTR can do on big 18" 265 semis. But take Russ in his R32 GTSt. Same story, std RB20 with a 2530, some off the shelf Teins very similar to what Ant in the GTR is running and the thing is equally as quick. Just look at the vids from the weekend. Truth is often wish i had the grunt and grip of a GTR, it does everything so easily and consistantly. But then i float my lil R32 onto the straight at 180km/h at PI with a bit of oppy lock trying to get on the noise and i would not trade that for anything...lol even if my lap times are sometimes not as quick or whether i can consitantly drive the car quick.

So, its what you are after, but i cant see anthing less then 35k getting you rolling in a quick GTR. For 25k you can be in a weapon of a GTSt or S platform that could be quicker. So decide what it is you want to be driving and mod it. All tracks cars are simply a sum of their parts as most late model Nissans form a sound basis to build from. You have an R33 GTS25t which in my book is the best building block for a track car.

Regards,

[Kaido_RR]

My 33 GT-R was a V-spec with the A-LSD also and I found it to be awesome coming out of corners at all speeds but I wasn't sure if that was ATTESSA or just a great suspension setup and good tyres all round.

Whenever I watch Tsuchiya-san and his Touge battles a well setup RWD car usually has the edge in the twisty stuff though due to understeer. I think the current Touge monster is an RX7? which took the crown from an R34 GT-R if I recall correctly?

weight

when you look at most of the time-attack races or Touge battles the car which is lighter always has the advantage.

Its the main reason im second thinking a gtr because of its weight

[No Crust Racing]

Roy: I've got an S13 atm, not an R33

Kaido: For sure, extra weight means extra cost everywhere, even when towing it somewhere...

[Roy]

Yeh, i am saying. If you want to bin the S13, i think an R33 GTS25t is a damn good platform for 1/2 - 1/3 the price of a GTR

[unique1]

lets face it, which ever platform you buy to modify to race your going to spend more than the purchase price of the car on mods in the end over the years so ive always said make sure you get what you want and dont compromise on the platform choice as the last thing you want is to want to upgrade to a gtr or something in 2 years after forking out 10-15k in mods on a S14 or whatever. Start with what you want and it might take longer to get where you want it but it will be exactly what you want as a total package.

So basically that means gtr gives you the option of 2wd or 4wd (for when you make more power after the rebuild ), better aftermarket support overall, better resale value in the future, more potential, etc

Thats my 2c worth

[boxheadmr]

i reckon you can get an s14/s15 going quicker then most GTR's, there is quiet a large improvement in times ATM in these cars and it's only starting to scratch the surface.

The one thing quicker would be an EVO but that just sucks.

Matt