Power Fc Or Nistune

[boostin32]

The next thing I'm gunna do to my 32 is get a tune but not sure witch way to go

[Madaz]

[boostin32]

haha what

[Madaz]

couldnt help myself

i have PFC but cant comment as i have never had a nistune

BUT if something is wrong with the PFC or car i can see straight away with the hand controller

[skwiz]

Depends on what you really want to spend. NIStune's are around $250 or so, whilst Power FC's around the $800-$1000

NIStune, is just a motherboard, which allows your stock ecu to become completely programmable.

Power FC's are a whole new computer, with hand controller, so you can do 'on-the-spot' programming.

NIStune's are not legal, and neither are Power FC's, advantage of NIStune would be that it is virtually impossible to detect from a coppers point of view, apart from the USB port that is made to allow the USB cable to plug into the laptop to tune,whilst a Power FC is recognisable from its Apex'i casing. Hand Controller is detatchable..but still, if a cop wants to have a look inside your kick panel, you are a sitting duck.

My point of view anyway.

[niksta]

Do they make nistunes for 33 ecu's or do you have to use a 32 ecu?

[Madaz]

have to use a R32 or Z32

[typevu]

NIStune's are not legal, and neither are Power FC's, advantage of NIStune would be that it is virtually impossible to detect from a coppers point of view, apart from the USB port that is made to allow the USB cable to plug into the laptop to tune,whilst a Power FC is recognisable from its Apex'i casing. Hand Controller is detatchable..but still, if a cop wants to have a look inside your kick panel, you are a sitting duck.

My Power FC cleared regency earlier this week... he took a good look inside the kick panel.

[Blazk]

I have a nistune on my r34 GTT and went through regency no worries (was an ID check though)

[typevu]

ID check is at Regency but when talking about "REGENCY" people tend to mean the Vehicle Inspection part of it...

[Dohmar]

NIStune's are not legal, and neither are Power FC's, advantage of NIStune would be that it is virtually impossible to detect from a coppers point of view, apart from the USB port that is made to allow the USB cable to plug into the laptop to tune,whilst a Power FC is recognisable from its Apex'i casing. Hand Controller is detatchable..but still, if a cop wants to have a look inside your kick panel, you are a sitting duck.

+1 however I will clarify that some Nistune boards use the stock consult interface - so effectively there is no way to tell unless one disassembles the ecu housing (and then removes the outer circuit board) ... nistune supports the std nissan consult interface too so there is also that...

tis illegal yes but virtually impossible to spot unless they know specifics.

also, powerfc circuitry fits inside stock nissan ecu housing, mounting it in a stock housing is a common stealth mod

-D

[DSTROY]

I've also passed regency with a power fc, its to easy to make them look like a stocker. Im just gonna get a nistune style tune in the ceffy.

[boostin32]

+1 however I will clarify that some Nistune boards use the stock consult interface - so effectively there is no way to tell unless one disassembles the ecu housing (and then removes the outer circuit board) ... nistune supports the std nissan consult interface too so there is also that...

tis illegal yes but virtually impossible to spot unless they know specifics.

also, powerfc circuitry fits inside stock nissan ecu housing, mounting it in a stock housing is a common stealth mod

-D

ok thanks I got a r32

[D_Stirls]

The differences are that P-FC has 20x20 maps and Nistune has the factory 16x16 maps. This really doesn't make a difference as the ECU will interpolate between the map points. So really unless you are making huge power like 600+hp and you need to stretch you map to cover a large load range you will not be at a disadvantage, and really an extra 4x4 points isn't increasing it dramatically anyway.

The Big Difference.

Nistune retains Knock Control where as P-FC does nothing to control knock except flash a LED light on your dash. So Nistune will richen you fuel map and pull timing out ignition map if a knock incident is detected but P-FC will flash at you while the engine is pinging it's tits off.

The cost.

Nistune: Board ~$250, Software/Licence ~$200, Cable ~$100.

Really all most people will need is the board, if you want to play (at your own peril) or data log then you can get the licence and the cable. Not sure whether the OBD2 tunable boards need the cable.

P-FC: ~$1000 second-hand, FC-Logit ~$450.

Without FC-Logit you can't do the things you can with nistune and the software.

[BoostdR]

The differences are that P-FC has 20x20 maps and Nistune has the factory 16x16 maps. This really doesn't make a difference as the ECU will interpolate between the map points. So really unless you are making huge power like 600+hp and you need to stretch you map to cover a large load range you will not be at a disadvantage, and really an extra 4x4 points isn't increasing it dramatically anyway.

The Big Difference.

Nistune retains Knock Control where as P-FC does nothing to control knock except flash a LED light on your dash. So Nistune will richen you fuel map and pull timing out ignition map if a knock incident is detected but P-FC will flash at you while the engine is pinging it's tits off.

The cost.

Nistune: Board ~$250, Software/Licence ~$200, Cable ~$100.

Really all most people will need is the board, if you want to play (at your own peril) or data log then you can get the licence and the cable. Not sure whether the OBD2 tunable boards need the cable.

P-FC: ~$1000 second-hand, FC-Logit ~$450.

Without FC-Logit you can't do the things you can with nistune and the software.

Knock control from Nistune is great however you will find that the controlable map points are very limited(up to 4500rpm only) So after this RPM both nistune and PFC will let the engine Ping...just the PFC will let you know about it

The Resolution of the Nissan map is less than the 20x20 of the PFC which gives smoother more accurate response at any power. Especially in the transition onto boost area where high resolution can do wonders to drivability.

They are both good for there respective cost.. but you do get more functionality when you pay more.

[D_Stirls]

What do you mean by this?

the controllable map points are very limited(up to 4500rpm only)

There are two completely different Maps. One regular map and knock map both maps are 16x16. When a the knock count gets about a certain point it switches from one regular to the knock map which has all the 16x16 resolution that the primary map has and isn't limited to 4500rpm.

Are you saying that after 4500rpm it won't switch to the knock map?

[BoostdR]

What do you mean by this?

There are two completely different Maps. One regular map and knock map both maps are 16x16. When a the knock count gets about a certain point it switches from one regular to the knock map which has all the 16x16 resolution that the primary map has and isn't limited to 4500rpm.

Are you saying that after 4500rpm it won't switch to the knock map?

yes, the controllable area's of the Map are limited. I'm sure the Nistune guys can fill you in. Since your also in Adelaide...we most likely talk to the same person =) Especially if he drives a mazda 121 with a twin cam.....

[J - Rad]

Never heard of the nistune not having knock control after 4,500rpm. Probably better off spending the extra money and getting a PFC.

[RubyRS4]

Never heard of the nistune not having knock control after 4,500rpm. Probably better off spending the extra money and getting a PFC.

Don't get scared off a Nistune based on a "he said they said" basis. Call Nistune themselves and speak to the guys direct. Nistunes retain knock sensing throughout the rev range ... PFC will just flash a light at you.

[ben dinroad]

+1 for PFC