New Voice For Motoring Enthusiasts

[FineLine]

Get behind them guys. With your support it can only grow

http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/-/watch/23661319/

http://www.orp.org.au/Get_involved.html

[GTR-N1]

Terms of Reference:-

They need to stick to issues like...

* Waste of Police Resources (eg. the need for more detectives and less HP)

* Harrassment (eg. smoking a fag over a Rochester carbie is more of a fire risk than having dry pods)

* Quote by Mark Webber (eg. nanny states)

* Statements by Mark Skaife (eg. improving quality of roads, driver skills rather than hammer us with draconian speed limits)

...and not get sucked into an argument on...

* Speeding per se

Mark Skaife's statements had a better balance of "Responsibility" as well as "Rights"

This new fledgeling political party - yes it needs to be supported. Peter Whelan seems to be responsible.

It will also attract rabble though. But then, all political parties have those eh?

[waxracing]

Im behind it. While I dont think people should be allowed to speed every where they should stop trying to make criminals out of the average person.

[FineLine]

Im behind it. While I dont think people should be allowed to speed every where they should stop trying to make criminals out of the average person.

Agreed wax. We have rules and we need rules but this incessant grab for cash and labelling people just to serve the purpose of justifying the greed is beyond the joke.

[DaGr81]

increase speed limits - yes

burn outs - no

stop getting harrassed by cops for wasting our money on our cars - hell yes we should be allowed to do what we want to our own cars

[Galois]

Safety should be the only concern, a burnout in an abandoned area is harmless, but on a little street could really hurt someone. Noone wants all 50 zones to be changed to 80 zones, bur everyone wants higher motorway speeds. Speed is rarely a killer, its driving unsafely given the surroundings.

Clarkson said once speed has never killed anyone, it was suddenly coming to a stop that does. He was kidding, but theres some truth to it, drive safely in the environment you're in; make sure you can stop.

The german transport minister once said that speed limits allow people to become neglectful of safety, and that thete has never been a death on the autobarns due to excessive speed

[GTR-N1]

The german transport minister once said that speed limits allow people to become neglectful of safety, and that there has never been a death on the autobarns due to excessive speed

Was he drunk?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn

[Galois]

Hopefully...

Sligjt mis quote, not that I wad really quoting, it was the deputy boss of mercedes. He was saying its not high speed, its the wrong speed. he also said that driving fast in good conditions never caused an accident on autobahns.

I can see tne other side of the arguement tho, we need nore driver education on safety. I regularly drive between sydney and newcastle, and I would not want some of those shitboxes doing 140, my 34 could do it safely with no trouble, my magna probably could too, but my shitty old camry sure couldnt (my first car), and it would have been desperately unsafe to drive like that

[SKITTLES]

What have I been telling everyone who has asked?

It's not about being anal about going a speedlimit which was set god knows how long ago, it's about adapting to the times and realizing that people now drive cars that are capable of 90km/h safely (where the speed limit may have been 70 or 80 previously).

Cars are being progressively engineered to go faster, safer.

I have always said that it shouldn't be about speeding fines. A speeding fine won't teach you how to control you car.

If they cared about driver safety, they'd be focussing on encouraging track days with government funded tracks, or subsidies, and looking at encouraging better driving through positive reinforcement, not by outcasting people who make mistakes due to inexperience or being a bit trottle happy.

I personally think the reason it's gotten bad is the whole anti-hoon law crap and all that's come about it. I used to be a really good driver, then i got sick of all the crap I copped (even when I was doing nothing wrong), so I just drive however I feel comfortable / safe and because I drive at night mostly, I just avoid other drivers or heavily populated roads.

I'm going to laugh if these guys get what they want, and we raise the speed limits and create better roads (not these half-assed, half-cut lines of black crap on the ground I have to drive on).

Why will I laugh? Because once driver education gains some sort of substantial quality, they'll see a massive decrease in driver deaths, loose money, and probably be pissy about it.

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I can see tne other side of the arguement tho, we need nore driver education on safety. I regularly drive between sydney and newcastle, and I would not want some of those shitboxes doing 140, my 34 could do it safely with no trouble, my magna probably could too, but my shitty old camry sure couldnt (my first car), and it would have been desperately unsafe to drive like that

After reading that, it's completely true.

I also believe that a major reason some of my friends have had their car accidents is because they were driving around backyard-job integras, Excels, mirages, etc. Just think of a car with bare basics and no safety features, that costs around $600, and you've got my friends cars back in the HSC.

Collectively, we wrote off a good 30 cars in a year.

My biggest car accident happened because I didn't have good brakes in my Excel and when the truck turned in front of me (without indicating), I couldn't stop in time.

The police were great though. They didn't investigate, not even a breath test.

Edited January 4, 2011 by SKITTLES

[oweban]

My biggest car accident happened because I didn't have good brakes in my Excel and when the truck turned in front of me (without indicating), I couldn't stop in time.

The police were great though. They didn't investigate, not even a breath test.

Paraphrasing the other thread, P-Plater, you're at fault?

Sucks though. Also sucks that I had to pay more for CTP this time because "your car is getting older and it's not as safe". GTFO my brakes and suspension are better than they were last year, and it's 1000000x better than a stock VR commodore.

(rant over)

[fatz]

After reading that, it's completely true.

I also believe that a major reason some of my friends have had their car accidents is because they were driving around backyard-job integras, Excels, mirages, etc. Just think of a car with bare basics and no safety features, that costs around $600, and you've got my friends cars back in the HSC.

Collectively, we wrote off a good 30 cars in a year.

My biggest car accident happened because I didn't have good brakes in my Excel and when the truck turned in front of me (without indicating), I couldn't stop in time.

The police were great though. They didn't investigate, not even a breath test.

lol

this is gold

i hope i never have to drive near your mates or yourself

p platers

lol

i just snorted coffe out my nose cause this was so funny

[hamiltonau]

well they have my vote anyway, even if they are horror of horros, affiliated with the libs.

might even go to the next meeting, god knows their chances of getting in with the climate the way it is but fingers crossed..

[Mosullivan]

Writing off 30 integras, mirages and excels, I feel that this is something that should be commended as a public service.

[GTRNUR]

The old car vs safety factor is easy to deal with. Simply post the speed limit for the older car, and pass a law that says car manufacturered at such a year can exceed posted speed limits in x class of driving zone by xx km/h.

The police(or privatised speed monitoring) can still have their flash for cash camera vans on the side of the road and photograph everything that exceeds the speed limits. And if they are able to read the number plate they surely should be able to identify the make, model and year of a vehicle and send out the appropriate fine(or not).

They 'could' even allow for modifications to allow improvements to older vehicles so they are certified for higher speed driving... such as modernised hotrods etc. A suitable testing system can be devised and a sticker stuck on the windscreen. Its that simple!

The reality is though that government would rather see everyone driving a prius and having no interest in motoring or motorsports at all. (yet the irony is that ALL the safety developments and technology developed in the modern car was developed initially on the race track). I wonder sometimes if there is some ajenda behind the closing down of so many motorsport facilities, and the constant rejections for construction of new ones.

Shame Peter Whelan doesn't speak with a great deal of confidence. I think he would be torn apart if he were put in a debate with one of the anti-hooning extremist spokes people.