Will 800Cc Inj On Rb26 Be Big Enough For E85

[Nee-san]

Guess you'd hope it would be better than a HKS DLi... Given its almost 3x the price!

Almost! 11?!?

it's getting close to four or five times the price.

[N1GTR]

ID2000's used here. Happy customer.

[SimonR32]

Are you referring to the same T04GTR and Gav that posted in this thread? Because I'm pretty sure they said they have 1000cc injectors

Yes they are using 1000cc's and also making more power...

[The Dan]

Yes they are using 1000cc's and also making more power...

What has that got to do with the 800cc question and what power they are going to be safe at? You are suggesting 800cc injectors are going to be safe at 400rwkw and not 300rwkw as I have said? At least, that's the way your post reads - maybe I'm reading it incorrectly.

Keeping in mind that we've had this discussion before about telling people 'she'll be right mate' is not optimum advice for a public forum and considering that AFRs will be extremely lean to achieve that hp. You can certainly make more than 400hp at the wheels on 800cc injectors but take the car out and hold 3rd, 4th and 5th til redline and see what happens.

But....I suppose this guy can go out and run his car on the limit based on your advice, blow it up and you will be able to wipe your hands of it. I feel a little more responsible for the advise I give here so it's fairly important that the whole picture is examined.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

What has that got to do with the 800cc question and what power they are going to be safe at? You are suggesting 800cc injectors are going to be safe at 400rwkw and not 300rwkw as I have said? At least, that's the way your post reads - maybe I'm reading it incorrectly.

Keeping in mind that we've had this discussion before about telling people 'she'll be right mate' is not optimum advice for a public forum and considering that AFRs will be extremely lean to achieve that hp. You can certainly make more than 400hp at the wheels on 800cc injectors but take the car out and hold 3rd, 4th and 5th til redline and see what happens.

But....I suppose this guy can go out and run his car on the limit based on your advice, blow it up and you will be able to wipe your hands of it. I feel a little more responsible for the advise I give here so it's fairly important that the whole picture is examined.

Isn't it basic maths ?

620rwhp on 1000cc's

=496rwhp(372rwkw) on 800cc's

[SimonR32]

Isn't it basic maths ?

620rwhp on 1000cc's

=496rwhp(372rwkw) on 800cc's

It is, but some seem to struggle...

[The Dan]

Isn't it basic maths ?

620rwhp on 1000cc's

=496rwhp(372rwkw) on 800cc's

Yes it is basic math if the figures are correct to begin with

It is, but some seem to struggle...

Yes they do.

Can we get a non-perth car to gives accurate hp figures in here. Is it just me or do you guys seem to all make 100hp more than you should?

Maybe it's the air?

Let's see the highest injector ms in the tune for both those cars at peak power and the AFR's for both as well please.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Can we get a non-perth car to gives accurate hp figures in here. Is it just me or do you guys seem to all make 100hp more than you should?

Maybe it's the air?

These are from NSW, seems to be similar results.

380kw vq30 with id1000's at 80% e85

I maxed my 900cc injectors@65psi fuel pressure out at 420kw/560hp. s

Maybe there is something wrong with the Qld air, too much humidity ?

[rob82]

Maybe not everybody tunes at 10:1.

[SimonR32]

Yes it is basic math if the figures are correct to begin with

Can we get a non-perth car to gives accurate hp figures in here. Is it just me or do you guys seem to all make 100hp more than you should?

Maybe it's the air?

100hp more than they should... So my car should make 380rwhp? 132.5mph trap speed is pretty good for that power hey

[The Dan]

Maybe not everybody tunes at 10:1.

Was waiting for you to jump in. Had nothing previously?

100hp more than they should... So my car should make 380rwhp? 132.5mph trap speed is pretty good for that power hey

Still waiting for those figures. You gonna sit there and keyboard slash or you going to do what I asked 6 months ago when you pulled the same gutless shit?

[Beer Baron]

lol, thread got spicy in a hurry!

[SimonR32]

Still waiting for those figures. You gonna sit there and keyboard slash or you going to do what I asked 6 months ago when you pulled the same gutless shit?

[The Dan]

LOL thought so. Every time you have a dig at me on the forums I ask you to provide proof in the tune and you only ever come back with your ET and MPH. Never hard facts.

[SimonR32]

LOL thought so. Every time you have a dig at me on the forums I ask you to provide proof in the tune and you only ever come back with your ET and MPH. Never hard facts.

Every time I give you what you ask for you ask for something else...

Funnily enough I don't store photos of others timeslips, injectors duty cycles, dyno graphs etc just to give you some "proof" and I'm sure if I did it still wouldn't be enough.

But what everyone else seems to realise is that I have no reason to lie, after all I don't earn any money from selling big fuel systems when they are not needed

Edited August 19, 2011 by SimonR32

[rob82]

LOL thought so. Every time you have a dig at me on the forums I ask you to provide proof in the tune and you only ever come back with your ET and MPH. Never hard facts.

Pot kettle black?

What you said initially is still totally ambiguous - either you had a flow gauge that measures 9l/min or your worked out the fuel usage from a duty cycle number. You made it obvious that you didn't have a flow gauge and then you went onto say that you couldn't recall the duty cycle number!

[rob82]

And as for injectors I've made over 400rwkw on 660cc sd injectors @ 4bar fuel pressure on multiple cars - but that's because the bsfc of an xr6t is much higher than that of most rb engines; hence why I wouldn't recommend that size injector in this thread.

[The Dan]

Every time I give you what you ask for you ask for something else...

Funnily enough I don't store photos of others timeslips, injectors duty cycles, dyno graphs etc just to give you some "proof" and I'm sure if I did it still wouldn't be enough.

But what everyone else seems to realise is that I have no reason to lie, after all I don't earn any money from selling big fuel systems when they are not needed

I'd be happy for you to post the response you gave me here. Tell everyone here what is it exactly that you said when I asked the same information of you when you called me out in another thread? Good luck finding anything because you never responded. Even when I then called you out on it in your own build thread after having aonther dig at me, you still failed to provide the simple data which I asked for.

You have not personally built the cars that are making the hp or running the fuel systems or seeing what happens to cars with inadequate fueling. You just read stuff on a forum and spit it out like its gospel. Apart from your own car, do you actually have any real world experience or is it just you pulling your dick over dyno figures again? I asked for simple figures from you. YOU NEVER PROVIDED THEM. I told you before and I'll tell you once more, if you cannot provide the simple data I have asked for, then your claims of hp are guesses at best.

[R31Nismoid]

lol, thread got spicy in a hurry!

And i had nothing to do with it either

I'm impressed

[The Dan]

Pot kettle black?

What you said initially is still totally ambiguous - either you had a flow gauge that measures 9l/min or your worked out the fuel usage from a duty cycle number. You made it obvious that you didn't have a flow gauge and then you went onto say that you couldn't recall the duty cycle number!

Nothing I said was ambiguous. You are the one baiting me instead of actually reading what I wrote. Here it is in black and white for you so listen up because I don't want to have to say it one more time.

I DO NOT TUNE CARS. I BUILD CARS.

My tuner said to me 'it's a good thing we have the fuel flow of that pump as it's currently using just over 9L/min of fuel'

This is based on ms open time of the injectors at peak power. The injector is being told to inject an EXACT amount of fuel. The size of the injector is predetermined so we can calculate (using AFR's also) the EXACT amount of fuel being used at peak power. I was told 'just over 9L/min' I also said in my initial post (without reading back to find exact words) 'I can find out the figures and get back to you guys if it will help you out'

Read it again if you have to. I clearly stated that I would be able to find out the exact amounts if I was required to. I was only told just over 9L/min not an EXACT amount, and I don't have the car here any more to be able to look in the Motec to find out what ms the injectors are open at peak power AND my tuner is away until Monday. SO, does this answer ALL of your questions regarding this topic or are you going to sit there and tell me now that fuel flow cannot be calculated using this method? Coz I'd really love to hear that story.

Oh and completely pointless I might add. You have a go at me in a smartass manner to what effect? Just to puff your chest in a public forum? I was merely stating my experience with a recent build and a few other recent builds and our findings considering E85 is fairly new to most of us in the semi professional scene. Me having a flow gauge that reads 9L/min has absolutely nothing to do with the topic and is only a chance for you to pull some shit for a laugh.

And as for injectors I've made over 400rwkw on 660cc sd injectors @ 4bar fuel pressure on multiple cars - but that's because the bsfc of an xr6t is much higher than that of most rb engines; hence why I wouldn't recommend that size injector in this thread.

We are aware of that, each engine will be different, but if you have some specific knowledge or some way to apply a formula then instead of having digs at me, maybe offer a knowledgeable hand to others who don't understand what it all means and how it applies to them. Hmm?