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Massa had enough room, didn't yield once he was taken and caused the incident, he aimed it at the tyres and kept on going, why he freaked and spun it makes me think he was trying to cause rbr penalties. He's good enough to have done otherwise and chose not to, for what ever reason.

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hrd-hr30 Grand Master

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The guy on the inside/racing line doesn't have to yeild! It's his corner. You can legitimately drive out to the edge of the track and run the guy on the outside out of room if you want. When they collided they were only mid track just after the apex. If you're going round the outside, you're making your own arrangements - you have no claim to the corner. That is the way its always been.

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only once massa over rides the second kerb does he send himself into a spin

as per usual he'll use any excuse to shield himself from the truth of his own inability

3rd kerb? which is also the normal racing line...

and the fact is you can hear he was off the throttle when the spin started and only picked the throttle up when he was had done more than 90degrees to try and keep the spin going and hopefully end up pointing the right way...

they've also got data showing he hit the brakes hard as Mark rejoined the track right across his nose onto the racing line, which is a big no-no normally... as is completing a pass off the track. How Mark escaped without 3 drive-thru penalties in that race I have NFI

ctjet Grand Master

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Yarr, the third kerb

Fact is, it doesn't matter at what point he got back on the throttle, he had already managed to be back in control of the car by the second kerb. But because he's a punk bitch, instead of continuing the line he deserved, he back off and caused that spin all by his lonesome. His inability to assert himself manifests itself on track and pigeonholes him as an easy target

Webber blasting past certainly helped him into the spin, but he did not cause it. You wouldn't imagine Webber trying that on Alonso or Lewis

Also i agree, webber deserved an earlier drive through, but thats somewhat unrelated

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tweety bird Grand Master

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sif there is any alcohol consumed in the middle east.....

there are bars/clubs here,

but i've been told they're more for meeting errr........... ladys of the night then drinking.

dezz Grand Master

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Webber completed the pass outside the track, so he would have been forced to give it back. As Massa had spun (regardless of whose fault it was) he couldn't give back the place he gained illegally, so he should have been penalized. Pretty simple really

The real shame is that Massa didn't rip a skid across Vettel's front wing

Roy Grand Master

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The guy on the inside/racing line doesn't have to yeild! It's his corner. You can legitimately drive out to the edge of the track and run the guy on the outside out of room if you want. When they collided they were only mid track just after the apex. If you're going round the outside, you're making your own arrangements - you have no claim to the corner. That is the way its always been.

Is that really true though?!?! Forget the Webber incidents etc for a moment. Just generally...

Historically they gave each other room. Then with increases in safety and tracks with run off emerging as the norm you started to see guys more commonly being forced wide. Typically you used the exit and compromised their run in the corner...but I am not sure I accept the "you run them out of room/track theory. God knows its dangerous making blanket statements as moves around the outside are common in flip-flop/S-bends etc.

But I do agree that the guy on the inside has the line and advantage and has the right to hang around , but if he is a wheel behind on a compromised line for the exit as he is entering so shallow then I am not sure its so clear cut.

So jumping back to the Webber theory I just dont think its so clear cut. If you try an outside move on a 90deg corner you have to expect you are going to be pinched on the exit these days and probably forced to take to the run off area as they take the line on exit if you are anything remotely wheel to wheel. This is where you are better trying to compromise their entry then get a better exit with the over-under style move.

But on a flip flop/S-bend the guy on the inside has to get back to the other side of the track asap to get a good run on the exit of the second bend. In the case of Webber-Massa, Masa forced Webber off the track after a dive bombing wheel clash when hsi normal line would have been to hand left on exit so he had a more optimum line for the second half of the corner. So you are free to tae the normal line but I guess to e its blurred with racing craft when you hang around the outside hoping to gain track position and the inside line for the second corner or final 90deg part of the croner

hrd-hr30 Grand Master

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Once someone gets 3/4 of the car past you perhaps it is time to roll off the throttle a little earlier and leave some racing room (drivers in the BTCC are excluded)

yes - IF they are on the inside and half way alongside, it is their corner. The guy on the outside is the one who should be rolling off the throttle.

All I can say is you guys would be singing a different tune if it were Maldonardo on the outside and Webber or Hamilton on the inside...

but I probably would too :P

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tweety bird Grand Master

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Bernie Ecclestone has revealed that Magny Cours is the only circuit he will consider if the French GP returns to the calender.

http://www.planetf1....for-2013-return-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4q0DeZVusM

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh has confirmed that the team intend to run with Mercedes engines for some time to come.

"It is going to be McLaren Mercedes for quite a few years to come," Whitmarsh told the the Daily Mail.

"It is a good partnership and it works well. We've been together for 18 years and it is going to continue for quite a few years to come.

"I think we have got a very good deal with them, but I think more importantly than that is we have got a good partnership.

"Obviously I've been involved with Mercedes personally. I ran the engine side so we know the people, and we are proud to be part of the Mercedes-Benz family."

http://www.planetf1....n-with-Mercedes

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