R33 Gtst Brake Upgrades

[Mick_o]

Hi guys and girls this is my 1st post in the brake and suspension topics so i will apologise in advance for any 'noob' questions anyways after driving the old mans R33 V spec with DBA 4000's,HEL braided lines and i think Remsa pads(GSL recommended them) my standard sumitumo clamps with RDA ugroove rotors,HEL lines and EBC red stuff pads dont feel near as bitey as the brembos on the Gtr.

Now this is where my dilema begins........... Now i havent set a budget in stone yet but im thinking maybe around $2500 - $3000 zone.

After shopping around online only found 1 full set of brembos off a 33 with rotors for $1800 which i think is a bit rich.

Ive looked at the K sport kits as well and the 356mm kit is $2300 but im kinda weary of putting 'cheap' stuff on my car that may be unreliable (brandwhore) obviously unless anybody can confirm otherwise from 1 of these kits? But thats just for the fronts alone.

The 3rd option im contemplating is picking up a full set of wilwood calipers 6 piston fronts and 4 piston rears which on Ebay i can get for maybe $1500 but then id obviously need to fabricate my own brackets up to adapt the wilwoods to my mounts and correct the brake bias yeah?

So in saying that is correcting the brake bias as simple as putting a proportional valve in?

Please correct me if this isnt possible but im thinking this would be my shopping list? V spec front rotors 6 piston wilwood calipers on the front using my standard rear rotors with wilwood 4 piston calipers on the back,good quality pads,custom braided lines,motul fluids and a proportional valve do-able for around $2500 and my time in making brackets and install???

Id like to hear some peoples opinions on some of the brake kits they have used and what their opinion is of what i propose to do and possibly any recommendations for my shopping list obviously the aim of this exercise is to get the best stopping power for the least amount of money. Id also really appreciate some name drops on who sells this stuff at competitive prices!

aaaaand GO!

[R31Nismoid]

Ksport/D2 kits are perfectly fine.

Plenty of cars using them @ WTAC last year, and again this year. They are tried and tested, I have them myself and cannot fault them for the price.

Been trying to get a GB organised for a while (will be well under 2k), just having trouble getting suppliers to play ball, at a decent enough price to make it worthwhile for everyone.

[Mick_o]

Oh ok thats good keep me posted if a group buy kicks off Ash im keen if we can get them for the right price

Just found these on ebay too hmmm interesting

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nissan-Skyline-R32-R33-GTR-GTS-Alcon-Grex-full-brake-kit-/110882989990?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19d12427a6

[simpletool]

I am in the same boat. Done heaps of research on the web and asking friends who do club sprints. I've only had personal experience with a few different pads myself - currently run Ultimates.

My thoughts are if it is mostly street driven:

First do the best you can with your current rotors and calipers

1 - buy a brake cylinder stopper (make a huge difference to control/feel)

2 - bleed brakes well

3- Get decent pads for the street (Ultimates are prob the best pure street pad but will only stand a mild track day)

After this you have to make some decisions about street vs track use.

Choose:

A Use a street/track pad (A1RM, or similar) all the time and put up with reduced rotor wear (<40,000km for a rotor set), some noise and have some mild issues with cold friction feel (possibly very noisy).

B Buy a 2nd set of pads for track use that aren't super aggressive (P-Mµ HC+, HT-10, DS2500) and swap then at home before you head out and then swap them back after you get home >> these pads are all expensive or noisy.

C. Buy a larger brake rotor that allows you to keep using fast street pads (and or the swap combo with lower end race pads as above). The 324mm upgrade kit might work OK with Landcruiser DB1199 Ulimates or some such.

D. Go all out and get a specific kit as below.

Buy a kit from USA. Any kit that COMES WITH CALIPERS from Silvia, 240sx, 300zx should fit fine (same 12mm hole, spacing and offset - it is the stock caliper legs that differ). Seek on the internet and you will find plenty for ~$2k plus shipping. But you won't find fark all for R33 GTST, you need to seek under 240sx and 300zx if buying from the states.

K-sport, Stoptech, Wilwood, etc. If you're not upgrading the front you will prob make do with 13" (330mm) or less and these will likely fit under 17" rims. Pads are up to you.

With the larger rotor upgrade you can probably get away with fast street pads, rather than needing to stretch up to compromise pads (DS2500, A1RM, HP+) which will wear you rotors in <40,000km with street driving.

Consider the replacement cost of pads and rotors when buying full kits (Wilwood, Stoptech, etc).

Edited May 23, 2012 by simpletool

[Mr. Untouchable]

I'm building a fairly budget minded sprint/hill climb car ATM, will rarely see the road. I'm going to get a DB power brake kit for the 33gtst, wilwood superlight 4 spots with brackets to fit, 345mm Brembo rotors (just 1 piece). Running a MS stopper, HEL lines rebuilt oem calipers in thd rear, rda discs and QFM pads as I have always run, prob Comp 9's front Comp 2's rear with good ducting to the front. NACA ducts in the front bar with 3" donkey dick running back to the rotors. Endless fluid or similar. What I'm running is actually fairly effective but this should be just a bit better. Just running oem size rotors ATM with QFM ar1m pads. Can get the wilwood kit for 1200 or so landed and the rest is basic. And replacement rotors/pads won't send me broke

[R31Nismoid]

DS2500 are fine for the street. Been using them for 8 months and they are not noisy at all.

Yeah you won't get 40,000kms out of a set of rotors - but I'd rather get 10,000kms and know it'll stop when i ask it on street or circuit.

DS3000 are circuit only, you never get them up to temp for street duties.

[Mick_o]

My ebc red pads are supposedly about the equivalent to the ds2500 and they arent noisey although they were whilst bedding them in until i could get out into the open and get some decent heat into them then.

[JimmyRickard]

I'm building a fairly budget minded sprint/hill climb car ATM, will rarely see the road. I'm going to get a DB power brake kit for the 33gtst, wilwood superlight 4 spots with brackets to fit, 345mm Brembo rotors (just 1 piece). Running a MS stopper, HEL lines rebuilt oem calipers in thd rear, rda discs and QFM pads as I have always run, prob Comp 9's front Comp 2's rear with good ducting to the front. NACA ducts in the front bar with 3" donkey dick running back to the rotors. Endless fluid or similar. What I'm running is actually fairly effective but this should be just a bit better. Just running oem size rotors ATM with QFM ar1m pads. Can get the wilwood kit for 1200 or so landed and the rest is basic. And replacement rotors/pads won't send me broke

Where were you getting the Wilwood kit for $1200 landed?

And how do they compare against the D2's/Ksport's etc.?

[KiwiRS4T]

I am tracking the 330mm D2s on my 1800kg Stagea and they pull up fine (well so did the GTT brakes) but they will do it time after time - no fade or other problems so far