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Hi all.

As you may know, Andrew at AM Performance (a SAUSA sponsor) has been working on an intake for the M35 for the last couple of weeks, using my car as the dummy car.

The intake, which is about v2 or v3, is now complete and on the car.

It's an interesting design, whereby it steps off the turbo at 2.5" (same as the turbo outlet), and expands to 3". It's been made in two halves, with the halves held together by a spring. It's a design Andrew has been using for some time on other cars with great success, and is easier to use than a piece of silicon and hose clamps.

The shape is designed for both maximum flow and to ensure that it fits around things on the car, primarily the air con hose, without stretching it and causing stress on it. After all, these things are our road cars and we want creature comforts!

Here it is:

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Here it is on the car:

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On my car, I've chosen to use it with a pod, a R2C pod to be specific:

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The same intake can be used with an airbox. You just need a slightly longer piece of silicon (90mm from memory):

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Andrew has jigged these up and will have them for sale soon on his web site, www.amperformance.com.au. Looks like retail will be $480, but if people are interested I will organise a group buy rate.

Let me know if you have any feedback and if necessary we can incorporate into another version in the future. If you're interested in a potential group buy let me know and I'll get something organised.

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Hi all.

As you may know, Andrew at AM Performance (a SAUSA sponsor) has been working on an intake for the M35 for the last couple of weeks, using my car as the dummy car.

The intake, which is about v2 or v3, is now complete and on the car.

It's an interesting design, whereby it steps off the turbo at 2.5" (same as the turbo outlet), and expands to 3". It's been made in two halves, with the halves held together by a spring. It's a design Andrew has been using for some time on other cars with great success, and is easier to use than a piece of silicon and hose clamps.

The shape is designed for both maximum flow and to ensure that it fits around things on the car, primarily the air con hose, without stretching it and causing stress on it. After all, these things are our road cars and we want creature comforts!

Here it is:

post-34363-0-20761100-1354269710_thumb.jpgpost-34363-0-70174000-1354269734_thumb.jpgpost-34363-0-78629300-1354269743_thumb.jpgpost-34363-0-15409400-1354269753_thumb.jpg

Here it is on the car:

post-34363-0-05920600-1354269809_thumb.jpgpost-34363-0-37838400-1354269871_thumb.jpgpost-34363-0-28789900-1354269939_thumb.jpgpost-34363-0-96831700-1354269982_thumb.jpg

On my car, I've chosen to use it with a pod, a R2C pod to be specific:

post-34363-0-00538100-1354269998_thumb.jpgpost-34363-0-70506900-1354270018_thumb.jpgpost-34363-0-45616500-1354270026_thumb.jpg

The same intake can be used with an airbox. You just need a slightly longer piece of silicon (90mm from memory):

post-34363-0-19198100-1354270416_thumb.jpg

Andrew has jigged these up and will have them for sale soon on his web site, www.amperformance.com.au. Looks like retail will be $480, but if people are interested I will organise a group buy rate.

Let me know if you have any feedback and if necessary we can incorporate into another version in the future. If you're interested in a potential group buy let me know and I'll get something organised.

hey Ryan looks the goods, any physical gains in the change over . Cheers rudi

hey Ryan looks the goods, any physical gains in the change over . Cheers rudi

Not sure yet Rudi. I have to fix my overheating problems before I can properly measure. Hopefully that will happen today and I can thrash it tomorrow on the SAUSA cruise. Do you have an ECU you can tune yet?

He should advertise these on yahoo Japan!

Good idea. He sells a lot of his stuff overseas now, so it will go up on his web site and hopefully the Russians are interested.

Not sure yet Rudi. I have to fix my overheating problems before I can properly measure. Hopefully that will happen today and I can thrash it tomorrow on the SAUSA cruise. Do you have an ECU you can tune yet? Not yet Ryan:(

Good idea. He sells a lot of his stuff overseas now, so it will go up on his web site and hopefully the Russians are interested.

Now that the car is back together and the intake is all sealed (needed to replace the hose clamp on the BOV return), the butt dyno says it's better, particularly in the top end. Feels very strong.

I will try and get an after figure on the dyno before my tune, but in the meantime I've had some queries about a group buy so I'll confirm pricing with Andrew and let you know.

Hey Ryan, I dont have tuneable ecu is this needed with the new intake?

No Rudi, you'll be fine. But I think it's best to look at getting one to get the most out of it.

No Rudi, you'll be fine. But I think it's best to look at getting one to get the most out of it.

You sure about that? All the cars I fitted one of mine to hit airflow cut from maxed injectors.

You sure about that? All the cars I fitted one of mine to hit airflow cut from maxed injectors.

+1, mine also maxes injectors, but mine doesn't max the AFM like your 3" bad boy.

Due to the 2.5" bottom section; AM's probably doesn't max the AFM either.

The ones that are maxing out the AFM, is that stock turbo or high flow?

Mine is close but just not quite there. Need to double check injectors but they're also close.

im interested in this but with my minor mods I'm guessing id be maxing out my injectors and AFM too.. i would like to tune mine but ive been quoted an astronomical amount to get it tuned on haltech.. what do you guys use to keep an eye on the injectors and/or AFM ?

Be careful mate, you're getting close to blown engine territory... Get it tuned soon...

Yeah you're right Scotty. Double checked my figures today, and the injectors are maxing out. The FPR will get me out of the shit short term but I'll be getting it tuned shortly. You get the email from the HKS guys about the tune?

im interested in this but with my minor mods I'm guessing id be maxing out my injectors and AFM too.. i would like to tune mine but ive been quoted an astronomical amount to get it tuned on haltech.. what do you guys use to keep an eye on the injectors and/or AFM ?

Chris, give up on the Haltech. As far as I can tell, Craig had it running... badly... and it was pretty expensive. Go with the proven options; Greddy eManage or HKS F-con.

Greedy informeter is a cheap option to get the data.

Yep, that's what I'm using Ross. Great for comparing data and working out what you're doing to the car. And saving your engine if you're doing stupid shit with intakes ;)

So, after spending yesterday and today driving the car, and especially today being able to check the data on the informeter while woman drove me home from a beer tasting, I've been able to confirm the injectors are maxing out, but the AFM is not. I have a theory on the AFM, which is basically that you won't get much/any higher voltage on the AFM without going highflow turbo with 3" centre, to match to a 3" flange on the intake. I'm at 4.85V now, and I can't see it getting any higher with the stock turbo.

Car feels very strong now, and fuel economy is better. AFRs are different without being dangerous.

Given the injector situation I wouldn't recommend this to someone who doesn't have some way of tuning the fuel. This could be something as complex as an emanage or F-con, or something more basic like Leon's voltage manipulators. I'm going to use an adjustable FPR for now to give me a little more headroom, and some safety, until the F-con is tuned.

Short of installing the two sensors the car, it's now ready for the tune. I have three to pick from now, have spoken to two of them and will speak to the last one tomorrow, who has apparently worked with F-cons before. Hopefully it can be tuned before Christmas on 98, no E85 for now. I want it in and working before we stuff around with E85 as I'll want to run either multiple maps or flex fuel.

Good idea Chris. I think you have a HKS approved tuner over in WA? Might be able to find the name on here if you search, but not sure if they're affordable. If not I have someone else I can point you to.

Informeter's are relatively cheap on ebay. Excellent insurance!

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