Basic Roll Cage Options And Saftey

[Risking]

Dan if your prepared to weld two plates to the seat pan of your car I could probably organise getting something to suit what your after.

Hoop

Rear legs

Diagonal

Harness bar

I won't flat pack it though. I fully weld all my cages and they require you to remove seats and console to get them in as one part

I loath those bolt together joints everyone else uses

[No Crust Racing]

What sort of dollars delivered? Pm me if need be.

Turns out that one of mates mates is a good tig welder with s14 cages to his name so I'll have a chat with him.

Either way I'm thinking welded half cage and harness bar and will lower my seat.

I'm in albury Wodonga which is on the vic nsw

Border 3690 or 2640

Edited May 11, 2013 by ActionDan

[Risking]

$770 and ill pack it up onto a pallet ready to go

You can organise your own courier and I'm happy to forklift it onto a truck if need be.

[No Crust Racing]

Ok cheers, I'll do some more hunting this week and see how I go.

[iruvyouskyrine]

Sorry to butt in but you don't do any r32 cages brad? I am in the same position as Dan and am looking for a half cage as well.

[Risking]

I've done more R32 cages than I could possibly remember.

Same pricing from $770

[iruvyouskyrine]

I wouldn't mind spending $1000+ if it is going to get me a decent half cage. What extra would i get for around that mark?

[Roy]

I love my cage from Risking. I can still get wheels in the back, bags etc. Nice and tight to the shell, plenty of seat clearance...so thats me saying you get way more than "something half decent". You get a well built and designed cage.

I will get some pics up tomorrow after I take some pics

[iruvyouskyrine]

Beauty Roy, that would be great, thanks.

[No Crust Racing]

Got this from Bond.

Dan

Half cage with welded diagonal $670, Harness bar $150, Freight $135

If you intend to enter motorsport under CAMs please send your telephone number or phone us on 02.4587.9672

[No Crust Racing]

This is what AGI had to say.

Also Is there any big deal using a standard wrap around style harness rather than eye bolt style as the first pic shows the cage but with the eye bolts added which is a $120 option.


Hi Dan,

Thank you for your interest in our Bolt-in Roll Cage kits for the Nissan Silvia S13.

We have a number of options depending on what level of competition you’re aiming at. See breakdown below for our 2012/13 CAMS approved Bolt-in Roll Cage kits for the S13 model.

I have also attached some sample photos for your reference.

Please note due to high demand at present (start of the racing season), lead time for a bolt-in kit is 2-3 weeks from time of ordering. Please advise if you’re competing before that date and we can look to have your cage ready in time so you don’t miss your first event.

Shipping to Wodonga including wrapping, packing and crating a half cage kit is $140.

Options:

A) Half Cage (4 point) Bolt-in – Main Hoop, diagonal brace (through hoop), backstays and harness bar.

8]· Entry Level specification – Super Sprints, Track Days or Drifting

8]· Supply: $600 inc GST

8]· Optional:

7]o Harness eyebolts & sleeves (sleeves welded in position): $60 per side or $120 for both driver & passenger.

7]o See photo for reference.

8]· Optional:

7]o Removable diagonal brace: $80

7]o See photo for reference.

8]· Optional:

7]o Second welded diagonal brace (x-member) through Main Hoop: $70

8]· Optional

7]o Roll Cage Fitting: $250 inc GST

[No Crust Racing]

Brown Davis said

4 point with harness bar - $902

Freight "$100ish"

He had no pics for me.

I can see a lot of "bolt" in harnesses are also suitable for wrapping around the harness bar but can't get confirmation on which ones work that way.

Does anyone have an issue with wrapping a harness? Could save $120 that way.

Edited May 13, 2013 by ActionDan

[No Crust Racing]

Maybe something liike this?

http://racequip.com/seatbeltsharnesses.html

[KezR33]

Just an update from my end in case anyone has similar issues.

Im going to unbolt the waistband thread it through the seat then bolt it back up.

Can anyone see any safety issues with this?

[Roy]

Brown Davis said

He had no pics for me.

I cant see the Brown Davis S13 cage being overly different to my old R32 cage. It was what I wanted at the time. A basic cage with harness bar. I removed it and sold it to a friend when I went to a Risking cage. The Risking cage had a few extra bars in it. Was tig'd rather than mig'd and was fabricated a little tighter to the chassis and the obvious design difference as Brad has already pointed out re how he secures the main hoop to a different part of the car.

I am leaving work now so will get some pics of the Risking cage tonight

[Risking]

Straight from a cage builder that does the high end of the market not the commercial cash cow cages you need to ask the following questions.

Welding type? Mig or TIG. Mig can be slap happy and hide crap work

Installed photos - not photos of a cage on the floor.

The fitment is massively important as Troy found out with his BD cage. Seats don't recline, head clearance etc etc

Material type? I can guarantee those cages you've been quoted are made from CDW. It's cheap as hell and no where near as good as quality CDS. Ask where the material came from and for an MDS (material data sheet)

Only use German, Japanese or American steel.

I know some places mentioned here are using Chinese and tawanese steel as I get emails from their off shore suppliers weekly offering me the same deals they get!

To give you an idea cheap material is less than $8.60/meter.......

There is 8meters of material in those cages.... $68.80 worth of steel...... It takes 2 hours to make a "loose" cage like those on a JIG and mig weld it

You do the maths but that could be $250+/hr......

A quality material is up to $16/meter

And it takes an honest 6 hours to build a TIG welded cage that's a perfect fit with perfect joints.

Do the maths again.

Wrapped around harness have a far greater surface area in contact with the bar than a clipped in type does.

Wrap around is superior in every way

[Risking]

Bolt type? 8.8 in minimum but 12.9 high tensile is far better yet 3x the price.

Slip together joints. Run away as fast as you can!!

Bolt through floor? Again run away fast!!

[No Crust Racing]

Which cage are you referring too Brad?

The more I look the more expensive this cage gets.

I didn't wanna drop 1000 on a 4 point half cage, seems a bit much.

I liked the look of the AGI one a few other guys have them and are happy but I doubt they crash tested them, or is that the cage you're are referring too negatively.

[Risking]

I wouldn't say anything negative about any of them. They are still using an approved welding method and material.

But it's your hard earned and are you getting good value for money? I doubt you'd pay anyone $250/hr??

If there is $68 in material and 2 hours fab time shouldn't the cage be $320ish not $600 plus??

There is what I call commercial cash cow cage builders who do these JIGed up half cages, and put all sorts if emphasis on "cams approved" blah blah. Their material passes the requirements of 350mpa and mig welding is acceptable. There is no real regulations on fitment quality.

then there is the custom specialty cage builders who only TIG cages and use high quality material which is closer to 600mpa and far better welding techniques (slower and more time consuming)

Try calling

Meridian motorsport

Evolution industries

Stead Fast fabrication

Pro fab obviously

These are the latter type cage builders who use quality material and not just tell you it's cams approved.

[Risking]

To answer your questions from NS.

I've written it before bolting to the floor pan is rubbish and shouldn't be done.

A good cage is fully welded together and then installed as one peice. ANY slip together joint is rubbish. Full stop rubbish.

It's done to keep postage costs down (flat packed cages) no other reason. Again cash cow cages!