Formula 1 2015

[dezz]

33.3 million pounds a year + endorsements probably doesn't hurt either..

[Missileman]

He supposedly negotiated his own contract too, hope he has enough sense to hire a solicitor for his prenup

[Anfanee]

Poor Hamilton. That f**king sucks balls.

[Four - Twelve]

I completely agree but pretty eager for the ensuing (and justified) cry to come

[dezz]

That's gotta go down as one of the worst calls for a team to make in the history of F1.

ESPECIALLY at Monaco where passing is near impossible

[Roy]

Bloody Sky trying to cover up the role Lewis played..doesnt change the fact the team should have set him straight...but Lewis seems to be thevguy that started the call for tyres

"...when that Safety Car situation unfolded, did you not at all question whether to come in or not? Bearing in mind, regardless of the situation with the tyres, track position is ultimately king in Monaco.

"I cant really express the way I feel at the moment, so I wont even attempt to, he said. You rely on the team. I saw a screen, it looked like the team was out and I thought that Nico had pitted. Obviously I couldnt see the guys behind so I thought the guys behind were pitting. The team said to stay out, I said these tyres are going to drop in temperature, and what I was assuming was that these guys would be on Options and I was on the harder tyre. So, they said to pit. Without thinking I came in with full confidence that the others had done the same.

[hrd-hr30]

Yep, Homo's panic caused the pit stop. Team told him to stay out, but he questioned them. Mistake 1.

He had it in his head that Nico and Vettel had stopped and he would be on worn out tyres... he didn't ask the team if they'd stopped, he assumed that himself from looking at TV screens. Mistake 2.

In the heat of the moment the team were under pressure now to make a call. They changed their minds and brought him in because he was worried about his tyres lasting. Mistake 3.

2 of the 3 mistakes were Hamiltons, and they were the mistakes that pressured the team into making the snap decision to bring him in.

Hamilton thought he was too smart, watching the TVs to find out what's going on, but in the end it was the dumbest way to loose a GP ever.

Edited May 25, 2015 by hrd-hr30

[dezz]

That would explain how calm he was in answering the questions about the team screwing him.

How did he think they had pitted when they were behind him though? They weren't THAT far behind him that he was about to lap them, and even still, track position at Monaco is king..

[Anfanee]

i laughed when he hit the #3 sign over at the end hahahaha

[djr81]

Yep, Homo's panic caused the pit stop. Team told him to stay out, but he questioned them. Mistake 1.

He had it in his head that Nico and Vettel had stopped and he would be on worn out tyres... he didn't ask the team if they'd stopped, he assumed that himself from looking at TV screens. Mistake 2.

In the heat of the moment the team were under pressure now to make a call. They changed their minds and brought him in because he was worried about his tyres lasting. Mistake 3.

2 of the 3 mistakes were Hamiltons, and they were the mistakes that pressured the team into making the snap decision to bring him in.

Hamilton thought he was too smart, watching the TVs to find out what's going on, but in the end it was the dumbest way to loose a GP ever.

Rubbish it did. Asking about a new set of tyres is a reasonable question. At the end of the day it is the team on the pit walls call irrespective of how much of a sookie la la the driver is being. They got it wrong and bear the responsibility for the mistake. The screw up was in not knowing the gap to second when he got to the pit entrance and reacting to that rather than other concerns.

[Roy]

The point missed is RBR gave Dan a free pitstop. The whole need vs time required...all seemed a bit rushed. What I do believe is that Merc messed up trying to be cute....and Lewis played a part and is the reason why he wasnt going postal post race. He played a part in it by requesting it assuming events that ... lol well I am happy because now we get to see if after a couple of hiccups whether he goes his usual walk about with his head down kicking at cans or chin up and comes back strong.

With what he is getting paid he needs to be Vettel/Alonso bankable at the next few races.. not go walkabout crying victim

LOL, even though he had pole I did laugh that all Saturday he was still sooking about last years yellows dropping reference into it in every post race interview

By contrast...I have so much more time for Alonso the past few years. This year he isnt throwing his toys out the pram and looking at Vettel he must be kicking himself for looking elsewhere...yet head down and works harder with a smile

[tweety bird]

Lol what a sook.

[Neil]

Wow I can't beleive you guys get so worked up about F1,,,it's so bloody processional.

I've been trying my hardess to watch it these days but my god it is so bloody boring.

I just finished watching the Indy 500 for a second time and it's by far a much better spectacle,,,cars actually overtake on the track and in the pits.

Cheers

Neil.

[djr81]

Really? I tried to watch Indy last night. Fell asleep. Twice. Dunno I love the idea of it but the reality just puts me to sleep. Probably doesn't help that the back end of the cars look like blocks of flats.

[djr81]

By contrast...I have so much more time for Alonso the past few years. This year he isnt throwing his toys out the pram and looking at Vettel he must be kicking himself for looking elsewhere...yet head down and works harder with a smile

But how long do you reckon he can keep it up for before he goes postal? After the next engine blow up/overheat/energy recovery system failure/energy storage failure/Q3 outage in Canadia?

[hrd-hr30]

Rubbish it did. Asking about a new set of tyres is a reasonable question. At the end of the day it is the team on the pit walls call irrespective of how much of a sookie la la the driver is being. They got it wrong and bear the responsibility for the mistake. The screw up was in not knowing the gap to second when he got to the pit entrance and reacting to that rather than other concerns.

meh, maybe you'll believe Hamilton himself?

"I saw a screen, it looked like the team was out and I thought that Nico had pitted," said Hamilton. "Obviously I couldn't see the guys behind so I thought the guys behind were pitting."

"The team said to stay out, I said 'these tyres are going to drop in temperature,' and what I was assuming was that these guys would be on [super-soft] and I was on the harder tyre."

"So they said to pit. Without thinking I came in with full confidence that the others had done the same."

It was obviously a stuff up on Mercedes part too, but their first call was correct - stay out. They only changed it because Hamilton thought he knew better...

Edited May 26, 2015 by hrd-hr30

[djr81]

The driver can ask for whatever he wants but the team on the pit wall makes the call because they have more data. Hell they can see no one out in Ferraris pit. But they thought (wrongly) they had enough time anyway.

“The simple answer is we got the maths wrong,” said Toto Wolff. “We thought we had a gap which we didn’t have when the safety car came out, and Lewis was behind the safety car and the calculation was simply wrong.

Something about not having GPS at Monaco.

Edited May 26, 2015 by djr81

[hrd-hr30]

The driver can ask for whatever he wants but the team on the pit wall makes the call because they have more data. Hell they can see no one out in Ferraris pit. But they thought (wrongly) they had enough time anyway.

yes, but Hamilton never asked them if the other guys had pitted... He had already made his mind up about that coz he's so clever looking at the big screens... He had it in his head the others had stopped and that's why he wanted to stop as well. That's where this mistake stems from.

Mercedes original call: "stay out" was 100% correct. Hamilton second guessed them based on an incorrect assumption forcing the rushed maths about the pit stop which ballsed it all up.

Root cause: a) incorrect assumption from Hamilton, b) Hamilton not asking if the others had pitted, and finally c) incorrect last minute change of mind RE the pit call.

Edited May 26, 2015 by hrd-hr30

[Kinks]

By contrast...I have so much more time for Alonso the past few years. This year he isnt throwing his toys out the pram and looking at Vettel he must be kicking himself for looking elsewhere...yet head down and works harder with a smile

Does Alonso normally carry on? I haven't noticed it. Certainly isn't as bad as Vettool or Homo. One thing I have said about Alonso after seeing him at Ferrari (where he could rightfully complain about an awful car) is that no matter what car he is given he drives the absolute shit out of it. There have been plenty of examples over the last few years when he has achieved a better result than the car's natural pace would suggest.

Wow I can't beleive you guys get so worked up about F1,,,it's so bloody processional.

Yes.. these days it's a car management event not a racing event. The drivers are doing 85% of their maximum performance because they are always managing with fuel, tyres or brakes. They're also several seconds a lap slower - someone worked out that if you compare to a 2004 car in Malaysia that the 2004 car would have lapped the 2015 car six times. No wonder it's boring!

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[Missileman]

When Alonso used to beat Schumacher he was a little guilty of over celebrating, but who the fark wouldn't

Since he has matured he is an utter gentleman.