I want a non-turbo r32 but need help how to get more power without a turbo

[Skylinerz]

Guys i am lloking to get my first car and it isn't going to be turbo because of the insurance and all, but what can i do to get the power increased the accleration improved without the need of a turbo?

[Rayage]

Perhaps look at a GTS25 (RB25DE) with a 2.5L NA engine? They are 140-something Kw (@ flywheel) stock and since a R32 weighs between 1260kg to 1320kg, it should pretty alright.

Dunno how much of a difference full-comp will cost you for a turbo R32 vs. a NA R32 (I don't think it's like night and day), it maybe better goin the turbo route.

IMO I don't think it's worth paying $2000-odd dollars on full comp insurance on a car that's some 12 - 15 years old. You'll pay half the value of the car just in insurance in 3 to 4 years.

[2rismo]

Nitrous Oxide. Had to be said. Good luck mate

Adrian

[funkymonkey]

only problem with R32 GTS25s is that most of em are auto models.

mines an N/A 1993 V Selection 2. The mods i have are... stainless steel fujitsubo extractors, HKS Airbox and full 2.5" exhaust with a rather high flowing cat

it made 87rwkw with no tuning on 98RON fuel and only an ECU reset. Haven't properly dyno'd it since i'm droppin an RB25DET and TD06-25G into it

[Dahtone Racing]

go for an RB30DE

that was my original plan but an RB26DETT came up at a once in a life time price.

[Skylinerz]

I am just look at a r32 gts-t non turbo 1989, but other than changing th ewhole engine itself what else can be done to improve the performance without spending a great deal of money?, because this is my first car by the way. I also want to ask how much insurance would i be paying if i went in teh 3rd party direction for this particular car non-turbo?

[funkymonkey]

well my mate bought a R32 GTE (with an RB20E engine, which is even slower than a normal non turbo) for $1.50 and cost him $4500 something to bring into the country, plus 2k in compliance and rego and for $6500 he's got a 4 door R32 whicha buggered engine. So he's gonna kill the engine (quite litereally tharsh the **** out of it) then replace it with an RB25DET or something.

You'd be looking for a 1989 R32 GTS, which shouldn't be too expensive since everyone's looking for something tricked out. Since there's not really a demand for it, finding a relatively highly modified R32 GTS will be easy. I'm thinking something with 6 throttle bodies and the works. There's a few in Japan (not 89 models though) that run that setup and keep up with stock R33 GTSt's.

If you're in glenny send me an email sometime, I'll give you a ride in my clapped out GTS. And if you like it I can organise one from japan that's uber cheap.

[Skylinerz]

I am some what confused about what a skyline gts-t and a gts are, what are the differences between the 2?, because i have never had a proper answer to that question.

By the way how cheap could u get the skylines any way the GTS or gts-t?

[funkymonkey]

GTE = R32 poverty pack skyline with 2L N/A SOHC Engine (liek the one in the R31's in australia, but instead of 3L its 2L)

GTS = Regular R32 N/A with RB20DE engine

GTS25 = late model (think post 1992 or something) car with 2.5L N/A engine and mostly in auto (manual GTS25 is hard to find)

GTSt = GTS with a turbo engine called the RB20DET

GTS Type S = GTS Coupe with Full Sports Options as standard

GTSt Type M = GTSt Coupe with Full Sports Options as standard

GTS4 = GTS or GTSt with 4WD instead of RWD

confused enough??

[funkymonkey]

the 89 GTSt i've brought down so far have cost maybe about 9k landed for an average one, and around 11k for a good one. Haven't brought down an N/A yet, coz I usually skip em.

The rules are about to change in August to either

a) any cars made after 1988 have to go through regular RAWS compliance instead of being eligible for 15 year exception

or

B) any cars brought in under the 15 year rule must have no accident history and be factory standard

or

c) 15yr rule change to 25 year rule.

This is thru some guys I know who work with DOTARs so brace yourself for changes to be made in August (and no they don't need to pass it thru parliament and give 18 months notice for an amendment).

[predator]

yeah.. was meant to be july though then the minister apparently got shuffled around to another post.

but if you've heard august its probably august..

They better make it if you've purchased the car you can still bring it in (like last time), or i'm up the shitter.. should be right..

[funkymonkey]

yeah, by law they have to apply the rules that applied at the time of purchase, so everyone who buys now should be ok. Even if you bring it in after the law change, compliance etc is done under the laws that applied at the time of purchase. Its a pain in the arse with the extra paperwork and ringing DOTARS required, but yeah in the end it should be ok.

[paulr33]

the price of insurance for a non turbo r32 vs turbo r32 wont be that much difference

get some quotes. the main cost of insurance is cos its an imported car, adding a turbocharger will add around an extra $200 per year or a tiny bit more

[meshybum]

If you dont buy car within the next day's you wont be able to import yah ?

[funkymonkey]

nah sometime halfway thru august. we'll know about a week or so before I guess.

[meshybum]

but if we already buy before ?? what do we do ???? say you buy december car ???

you cannot bring ??

[funkymonkey]

you should be able to... but there's a differnece between "should" and "can". Let the buyer beware I guess.

[Skylinerz]

If any of u guys see a cheap r32 please tell me i have limited budget of 10k total, and i prefrably want a NA Gts.

[funkymonkey]

well, drop me an email if u want me 2 bring one down 4 ya

[JezR31]

I didnt see this thread until now.

I posted this in your other thread.

With the money you would spend on making the gts faster you could have bought a gtst.

I have thought about getting rid of the rb30e and dropping an rb25de into an r31 but it really isnt worth it. I think the most it would it making at the wheels with some mods would be 110rwkw. I doubt it would have the same torque output even with the same mods.

The rb20de would be even worse, torque is going to be pretty sad. When you have an N/A engine displacement makes quite a difference and is an advantage.

The rb30 with the same mods would have a similar output (90 - 100rwkw) but it would have more torque.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skylinerz

How can it because i want to get a r32 without a turbo because of the insurance and all, but what mods can i get to improve the horsepower, acceleration ect without a turbo.

Its been posted up on the forums a few times that the difference between N/A and turbo skylines isnt that much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skylinerz

what mods can i get to improve the horsepower, acceleration ect without a turbo.

If you are serious about modding the rb20de go with what blitz said. Its simply not worth going any further apart from turbo charging it.

I think you'd get from 0-100km/h in around 8.2 - 9.0 secs.

I say, save you money up for a gtst. You will be thankful you did and the turbo makes a world of difference.