Dealer admits truth about Japanese klm's.

[DaiOni]

1. australia doesn't have the same public transport infrastructure (not even close)

2. 99.99% of australia doesn't get heavy snow (and therefore doesn't need to put the performance car in the garage for 3-4 months)

3. australia is a BIG country (japan isn't) = big distances to travel

4. australians like to take the car on big holidays - given road tolls in japan - you'd be mad to do the same!

5. australians, on average, aren't as urbanised - and often travel long distances to work (see also 1.)

6. an australian, on average, is more likely to use his performance car as the primary mode of transport

7. australians pay significantly less for fuel

but...

8. of course, tampering happens - moreso in regards to auctioned cars

Don't believe that ever low km import is a 'fake'

[Duncan]

Sure low klm imports exist.....

But why does everyone believe *they* were the one lucky enough to snap up a genuine low klm, great condition car at under market prices? Does everyone else pay top dollar for high klm cars?

On the other hand, while buyers form a forum like SAU are better informed, I feel reeeeally sorry for the average buyer who doesn't know better. Not everyone is a car enthusiast.

[Evo_Lee]

There is of course always both sides, as Brian has put the other side forward.

I picked up my car ('98 build) back in Jan 2002 with 43,000 genuine K's, by calculation the previous and first owner averaged 10,500km/year. It's now almost 2005 and she read close to 67,000km. As you can see I've since been averaging less...8000km/year.

[Demon Dave]

And I've managed a total of 8,000 KM in 2 years...

[Evo_Lee]

Ahhh shudup , but then you've got 2 other cars to share the load.

Shaken coming up, time to sell up for a V35 .

[Demon Dave]

Shaken due in Feb....I'll pass on a V35 but thinking seriously about a GTR...or an Evo...or A Wrx Sti (the last two because I've got two kids and 4 doors is a real bonus )

anyways, couple of hundred K's a month is not something to be happy about...it's like having a toy, but not being able to play!

back on topic - KM's are case by case IMHO, and depend a lot on who the owner was and how they commute. I know of several people who only use their cars on the weekend and rack up a few thousand in a year...

[slow13dude]

Ah ha.

I'm having my BNR32 complied at the moment.

It had 136000KM on it when Geoff (Prestigemotorsport) held it for me.

It now has 30000KM on it.

Tampering with a car that has been sold already? WTF?

[Evo_Lee]

Shaken due in Feb....I'll pass on a V35 but thinking seriously about a GTR...or an Evo...or A Wrx Sti (the last two because I've got two kids and 4 doors is a real bonus )

Go a Fuga , seriously I wouldn't buy a GT-R, Evo or STi...they are all not suitable for family duties. If you must buy, newer the better. Justin will tell you he has almost had the shits with the R32. Buying a newer car maybe more expensive but your also buying peace of mind. M35 or E51 you know you wanna.

back on topic - KM's are case by case IMHO, and depend a lot on who the owner was and how they commute. I know of several people who only use their cars on the weekend and rack up a few thousand in a year...

There is a white BNR34 near my place which has been sitting in the parking lot for as long as I can remember...very very very low kilometres. Hasn't been washed and looks very dirty, as the owner is always away most of the time. If I ever want a BNR34 I know I'll be asking if he wants to sell.

[NXTIME]

My importer just bought a nice BNR34'd Stagea manual. I am thinking of an upgrade when it gets here - 4 door wagon, wolf in sheep's clothing anyone?

[foznice]

i know the odometer dosn't really mean crap when buying a car, but how do auctioners (or the ppl who wind the clock back) decide what to set the odometer at? do they look at the car and go: " i think we can get away with 90k"?, looking through the cars on prestige you can clearly see the price difference between high milage and low milage cars.

[Guest]

i know the odometer dosn't really mean crap when buying a car, but how do auctioners (or the ppl who wind the clock back) decide what to set the odometer at? do they look at the car and go: " i think we can get away with 90k"?, looking through the cars on prestige you can clearly see the price difference between high milage and low milage cars.

They wind them back to what they think they can get away with but some auctions do put a ? next to klm's showing they are a bit suspect as to being the truth if wound back before or if speedo replaced. I know some places issue a price list on how much each car costs to wind the clocks back before shippment.

The price difference is also more to what people in Australia will pay as I would say80% are wound back on the 15 year old cars that get spammed out.

[Evo_Lee]

While you all think dealers do it, I get buyers (owners) who buy through me requesting the odometer to be wound back. So it's not always the dealer but could be one of your mates

As someone mentioned in another thread, you can only believe what's good if you work with someone you trust over here to check it all out for you.

[predator]

only have to look at a car that has done 250,000km over here that is 15 years old to compare to a car that has done "90,000km" in japan to see how things don't add up.

you could even look at my 2nd car over here that has done 330,000km and compare it to one that has a quoted "90,000km" of near same age and it would be hard to pick in many areas.

Even over here it will happen.. its a 20min job to swap a cluster over.. I see a speedo listed as "look low km buy me" .. its not too hard to see who they are aiming for...

[NXTIME]

Here is an R32 GTR with 0 kms on the clock- even has a pic of the odometer

http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie.../language_tools

[The Dan]

i had a bid today on 2000 er34 turbo with 101,000 klms with books  

i bought my dad a 190e 1989 with 41klm `s with full history books

i drive 190e 1989 56klms with history books

my 1998 260rs has 82klms with history books

1989 gtr arriving jan 05 has genuine 100kls with books grade 4  

there is no straight forward or general rule to the mileage ..each car must be judged on it condition  and documents...all my cars are genuine kilometers..i

you got too much friggin money man!

[jake32]

Ive got no money ...spent it all on cars

[Evo_Lee]

as you see Jake32 is only a fraction of the man he used to be...big market for organ donors these days ...

just kidding mate

[jake32]

260rs will be on the road by wednesday next week.....i have enough money left for fuel and a couple of months insurance...

[The_Paladin]

is the jap industry designing or introducing any new schemes or checking methods to try and counter fake klm's?

the uncertanty of genuine mileage must hurt the prices therefore profits they're making......

[Guest]

Some body will always buy the car even whit suss klm's.