Last Nights Ugly Drags

[two40]

mmm, burek. god damn you. i'm hungry now.

[Edge]

That said though, you can help to reduce the amount - and I do think that there should be MORE driver education (on crashes, how accidents occur, how little speed is needed to injur/kill yourself or others, how road conditions affect car handling, braking, etc etc etc) for people currently obtaining their licences, so that in the future - the roads may be safer with more responsible drivers.

Thanks for your post.

Did you actually get any driver training though?

What if they had taught you with you driving in a simulated street driving course what its like to lose control when you are getting too close to the car in front?

What would you and all those other tailgating older drivers out there do if they really understood when their car would lose control/traction in real world driving, and had it drummed into them the costs of driving just that little bit closer when they don't have to?

What might have happened if you had taken wet skid pan training and learning under what driving conditions you might lose traction instead of trying to discover it while driving on a wet public road?

I fully understand that its only after an accident or two that you really start to learn, but I'm just as certain that if you had experienced what its like to have to stop when a car is coming on a wet road while cornering, and also forced to take it seriously, that you may have been able to avoid the accident by defensive driving.

The point is that nothing beats experience. Experience can be given to you before you get your licence, in a better environment than your mum or dad or friend nagging you while you learn to take big risks right from the start just by driving on public roads before you even know how to use the gears and brakes properly.

Risks should be minimsed by using an professional safety driver training centre: This establishes the standard for risk taking while learning. And if you learn the right way, then you are more likely to develop good habits for life.

Just take what they do in woodworking class, where they teach/force you that you need to wear goggles and use certain techniques for the maximum safety. Well those habits are taken to the workplace where the younger workers demand that they are enforced, out of concern for their own safety. If they hadn't learnt it properly they would just be copying their boss. Same goes for copying the bad habits of your parents or whoever is teaching you to drive, which of course extends to all those older people presenting a bad example to younger drivers.

If you know what you should do at least you have the right example in your noggin. It certainly doesn't come from trying to copy other drivers.

Someone needs to train drivers as to what they should do and how to know what their margins of error are.

Let me tell you it took a lot of trail and error to learn that you really need to consider avoiding accidents by allowing for other drivers bad habits and mistakes; rather than constantly thinking about who would be in the wrong by the law. This means trying to be aware of someone about to ram into the back of you and adjusting your driving accordingly.

Whats the point of avoiding smashing into someone in front of you if you are going to get smashed into from the rear? The amount of hastle and cost to your time and the loss of your car while it gets repaired, and the risk of unregistered vehicles need to be explained better to young drivers. That little bit faster in the wet is going to cost you real money time and possibly your life someday.

[Edge]

That said though, you can help to reduce the amount - and I do think that there should be MORE driver education (on crashes, how accidents occur, how little speed is needed to injur/kill yourself or others, how road conditions affect car handling, braking, etc etc etc) for people currently obtaining their licences, so that in the future - the roads may be safer with more responsible drivers.

Thanks for your post.

Did you actually get any driver training though?

What if they had taught you with you driving in a simulated street driving course what its like to lose control when you are getting too close to the car in front?

What would you and all those other tailgating older drivers out there do if they really understood when their car would lose control/traction in real world driving, and had it drummed into them the costs of driving just that little bit closer when they don't have to?

What might have happened if you had taken wet skid pan training and learning under what driving conditions you might lose traction instead of trying to discover it while driving on a wet public road?

I fully understand that its only after an accident or two that you really start to learn, but I'm just as certain that if you had experienced what its like to have to stop when a car is coming on a wet road while cornering, and also forced to take it seriously, that you may have been able to avoid the accident by defensive driving.

The point is that nothing beats experience. Experience can be given to you before you get your licence, in a better environment than your mum or dad or friend nagging you while you learn to take big risks right from the start just by driving on public roads before you even know how to use the gears and brakes properly.

Risks should be minimsed by using an professional safety driver training centre: This establishes the standard for risk taking while learning. And if you learn the right way, then you are more likely to develop good habits for life.

Just take what they do in woodworking class, where they teach/force you that you need to wear goggles and use certain techniques for the maximum safety. Well those habits are taken to the workplace where the younger workers demand that they are enforced, out of concern for their own safety. If they hadn't learnt it properly they would just be copying their boss. Same goes for copying the bad habits of your parents or whoever is teaching you to drive, which of course extends to all those older people presenting a bad example to younger drivers.

If you know what you should do at least you have the right example in your noggin. It certainly doesn't come from trying to copy other drivers.

Someone needs to train drivers as to what they should do and how to know what their margins of error are.

Let me tell you it took a lot of trail and error to learn that you really need to consider avoiding accidents by allowing for other drivers bad habits and mistakes; rather than constantly thinking about who would be in the wrong by the law. This means trying to be aware of someone about to ram into the back of you and adjusting your driving accordingly.

Whats the point of avoiding smashing into someone in front of you if you are going to get smashed into from the rear? The amount of hastle and cost to your time and the loss of your car while it gets repaired, and the risk of unregistered vehicles need to be explained better to young drivers. That little bit faster in the wet is going to cost you real money, time and possibly your life someday.

[Edge]

That said though, you can help to reduce the amount - and I do think that there should be MORE driver education (on crashes, how accidents occur, how little speed is needed to injur/kill yourself or others, how road conditions affect car handling, braking, etc etc etc) for people currently obtaining their licences, so that in the future - the roads may be safer with more responsible drivers.

Thanks for your post.

Did you actually get any driver training though?

What if they had taught you with you driving in a simulated street driving course what its like to lose control when you are getting too close to the car in front?

What would you and all those other tailgating older drivers out there do if they really understood when their car would lose control/traction in real world driving, and had it drummed into them the costs of driving just that little bit closer when they don't have to?

What might have happened if you had taken wet skid pan training and learning under what driving conditions you might lose traction instead of trying to discover it while driving on a wet public road?

I fully understand that its only after an accident or two that you really start to learn, but I'm just as certain that if you had experienced what its like to have to stop when a car is coming on a wet road while cornering, and also forced to take it seriously, that you may have been able to avoid the accident by defensive driving.

The point is that nothing beats experience. Experience can be given to you before you get your licence, in a better environment than your mum or dad or friend nagging you while you learn to take big risks right from the start just by driving on public roads before you even know how to use the gears and brakes properly.

Risks should be minimsed by using an professional safety driver training centre: This establishes the standard for risk taking while learning. And if you learn the right way, then you are more likely to develop good habits for life.

Just take what they do in woodworking class, where they teach/force you that you need to wear goggles and use certain techniques for the maximum safety. Well those habits are taken to the workplace where the younger workers demand that they are enforced, out of concern for their own safety. If they hadn't learnt it properly they would just be copying their boss. Same goes for copying the bad habits of your parents or whoever is teaching you to drive, which of course extends to all those older people presenting a bad example to younger drivers.

If you know what you should do at least you have the right example in your noggin. It certainly doesn't come from trying to copy other drivers.

Someone needs to train drivers as to what they should do and how to know what their margins of error are.

Let me tell you it takes a lot of trail and error to learn that you really need to consider avoiding accidents by allowing for other drivers bad habits and mistakes; rather than constantly thinking about who would be in the wrong by the law. This means trying to be aware of someone about to ram into the back of you and adjusting your driving accordingly.

Whats the point of avoiding smashing into someone in front of you if you are going to get smashed into from the rear? The amount of hastle and cost to your time and the loss of your car while it gets repaired, and the risk of unregistered vehicles need to be explained better to young drivers. That little bit faster in the wet is going to cost you real money, time, and possibly your life someday.

[Edge]

an off road testing facility where you go through all the stages of learning to drive

In the car park, basic driving (eg changing gears) and parking and witches hat obstacle course.

After which there are

Safety videos showing all the bad habits, and what to do, and what happens if you don't. Explanations of the cost to society, to your finances, your time, your friends, your family, your car, your health, your legal costs, your insurance, your self respect etc...

the people with bad habits can do them with expressions in a way which would normally cause laughter and be entertaining, however if the kids don't take it seriously they fail instantly.

Next stage

In the street yard with some crossroads, various road gutter types and verges along with all the different signposting and all the various road hazards, and road types present.

Proficiency with all good habits demonstrated without laughing or showing off.

Made to stop coming from a certain speed, when the paper car suddenly pulls out in front of you. Shown the small difference in speed for your particular car that makes the difference between an accident and safe driving. An example or two with real cars and instructors driving them, and you having to take action to avoid an accident, (mind you its their own car or someone had to give them a car).

Don't forget that at any stage if you don't take it seriously you instant fail and cannot proceed to the next stage.

Next on the skid pan,

showing wet road and various visibility caused by artificial rain, what its like to follow too closely to the very heavily padded extremely light high tech cart, when cornering and given two different speeds to make the corner at. One will be safe and the other will surely cause you to have trouble. (you should be able to learn both the difference between a safe speed and how your car handles when going to go out of control)

Next stage

First up the skid pan in evening lighting with various visibility again two speeds.

Then

In the hangar during the day or at evening-night on the streetyard with lighting.

Driving in the evening-night simulated in a big hangar.

Same artificial rain etc. road course and how to use all the instruments on the car.

This is all done over a 3 month period typically on Saturdays. Your age group (or school) is up when it comes up and you only get one chance.

edited due to spelling mistakes

[Edge]

oh and another thing your parents have to sign that you are responsible enough to go.

[igor]

How about this sticker:

Want to drag me? Call xxxx-xxxx

Western Sydney Interantional Dragway

You can even get WSID to make these stickers

[Bonkers]

Commendable thread this!

Every post is made by someone who THINKS about road usage!

If every road user thought and took on accountability for our their own actions then there would be no problems!

We would be the regulators, not the pollies who sit on their arse in the back of a white Statesman being driven by someone else.

Great to share the road/track with thoughtful users!

[fatz]

hey bonkers

thats a typical response from a person who lost a street drag race

lol

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lo

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i am so funny i could be fully sik

[Jago]

hmmm, say, www.exvitermini.com , stage one street videos anyone?

[2rismo]

SPHYNX[x']hmmm, say, www.exvitermini.com , stage one street videos anyone?

Owner of said site engages in "Nasho Runs" whenever he feels like it. hmmmm....

[Mulkers]

Real Australians think this shouldn't be a police state' date=' remember Ned Kelly, a real Aussie hero. Our rights as citizens need to be fought for. No police gangster is going to take my right to drive my car.

QUOTE']

Didn't you hear? WE HAVE NO RIGHTS. And our Forefathers and anyone over the age of 36 is to blame

[Jago]

Owner of said site engages in "Nasho Runs" whenever he feels like it. hmmmm....

the 8TH-SIN videos too.

See, "high profile"(owning GTR-700 and all) people like that, well, people who are known in the import community, do all that sort of stuff without copping anything over it. It's all well and good if it is staged and in a controlled environment, but they weren't, and yet they don't get slammed for their actions like we do, further more, they post videos of their actions....

BTW, ur from the gong so you prolly know what natio runs are. If not, and those who don't, they are just a "rally" sort of thing around the royal national park. They just fly around the place, so yea

[2rismo]

BTW, ur from the gong so you prolly know what natio runs are. If not, and those who don't, they are just a "rally" sort of thing around the royal national park. They just fly around the place, so yea

That's right, but people shouldn't confuse "rally" with "legitimate"

Adrian

[kabab]

Why not just open WSID on weekends???? Having a legal place to race on a Saterday night would be fantastic.

[BU5TER]

mmm funny thing happening here, lets pick on anyone we can ... how many of you guys can honestly say you haven't done anything illegal in your skyline???

I know I have and would be willing to bet 99% of you guys would be in the same boat so please stop posting crap about other well known cars that do go to the legal drags etc now, unless you yourself are perfect!!!

[BU5TER]

And seriously how many of you guys even go to the drags or track on a regualr basis ... I'd say I could near count them on two hands

This thread now sucks

[Merli]

This thread is getting very hypocritical. I agree with Buster, 99% of you guys posting can't point out people like Mr. Exvitermini for doing Nasho runs, when it is an activity that you yourself have participated in. I know I have.

I'm not pointing fingers and trying to shame others, because I know I'm just as guilty the next person of past misconduct on our roads.

The thing is, I can appreciate that I was sent out onto our roads with minimal driver training from the government, and no appreciation of what havoc I could so easily cause in this 1.5 tonne block of metal I was now in charge of. In hindsight, I understand that it was my ATTITUDE, that caused me to hit unbelievable speeds (you wouldn't believe me if I told you) on our roads when I was a young kid. I was just lucky that those little adventures didn't end in tragedy, and I think that is in part luck, and in part because of my experiences on the racetrack that taught me the limits of my car and it's driver, me.

The only way to stop this carnage isn't to point the finger at other people and say "BUT THEY DO IT TOO!!!!"... Instead, we have to target future generations and teach them properly in the first place, BEFORE giving them the keys to the car.

[fatz]

driver training day on the 27th

i think you should all come

150 bux

email me at [email protected]

come out for a leagal belt on the track

[2rismo]

I'd say I could near count them on two hands

You can't count, Brett....come on?!?!?!

Adrian