Link Engine Management

[RB30-POWER]

It will be easier to tune the PowerFC for a smooth respectible drive with good economy over a map based link with crappy interpolation and load points.

Finding people that can give a link a tune to its potential is real hard in oz and you are limited to who you can try.

A powerfc is the first logical choice for an RB motor, or autronic/motec if the budget is larger.

[masTers]

Western Australians are lucky, as we have an expert who tunes Link ECUs.

DCIEVE's car is testimate to this.

[Sydneykid]

put it in a car for which plug and plays arent sold?

Let's see.....some examples that I have seen;

70 Series Supra using a 100 series Chaser PFC

An S1 RX7 using an S6 PFC

R31GTSR using an R32GTR PFC

EF Civic using a DC2 Integra PFC

It's all about the engine, the wiring harness and the sensors.

[IMACUL8]

Western Australians are lucky, as we have an expert who tunes Link ECUs.

DCIEVE's car is testimate to this.

And who would that be..........

Lets see if its the same clown who tuned mine and just blew up my mates motor ....

Dan

[DCIEVE]

SK, find me someone in WA who will put a pfc in my car and i will do it. I spent close to a year shopping for ecu's. Options came down to Wolf, Autronics or Link. I was wary of the lack of people willing to tune wolf, and i couldnt justify the autronics for the 50% extra cost over the Link, as i've said it does a respectable job in mine and countless other cars.

Imacl8, if you have a grudge take it up with the tuner this is not the place.

[R31Nismoid]

haha Douche,

Fcuk highway kilometres.  I was talking CITY driving, because thats where it fcuks you the hardest.

Highway my fuel consumption is no problems.

There is no need to get angry.

all thats being provded is a SLAB of useful info that would suggest there is better ECU's than a link for the price

[R31Nismoid]

DCIEVE....

You can tune a PFC over there no worries.

many places can do em

[teejay]

imacul8, the link plus has all the features you claim it doesn't including temp correction.. does the power fc?  runs the std knock sensor also.  The ecu comparison link you posted up fails to list most of the links features...

you also fail to mention how many countless hours the holinger equipped car you mention spent on the dyno at west racing?  

I agree its far from the best ecu on the market but it does a good job in mine and countless other cars and for the dollars you can't complain.  

Nismoid your initial comment on the subject is laughable, shit if everyone on the forum isnt using it, it must be crap.. ? Well done

i can allay testiment to how well nicks car drives and performs.. all using a link ecu.

i couldnt fault driveability, but i dont live with it every day and therefore cant tell you about economy etc.

it took alot of balls for nick to go out and use a relatively unused and unproven ecu here in wa.. respect to him. his is an example of a successful link ecu installation.. granted there may be links which have not cut the mustard. personal experience counts for alot, and its obvious sk has had negative experiences

shame the controllers are dog ugly things

[Bobjones]

At the end of the day you have to settle for what you want...

My opinion about the Auto issue is:

1. Full manual set up for the transmission

2. Get a PFC if you know a good tuner

I have to agree that there are alot more people in the Eastern States willing to tune a PFC versus a Link. But I am sure someone in Perth is able to tune a PFC and you don't have to resort to a Link that was originally designed by Possum to run on offroad WRX's...

This system is not designed to run your daily driver to the drivability of the standard ECU, it won't it can't so build the bridge.

The PFC has greater background and research and is designed for driveability AND tuneability that the Link is not...end of story!!

[Sydneykid]

SK, find me someone in WA who will put a pfc in my car and i will do it.  I spent close to a year shopping for ecu's.  Options came down to Wolf, Autronics or Link.  I was wary of the lack of people willing to tune wolf, and i couldnt justify the autronics for the 50% extra cost over the Link, as i've said it does a respectable job in mine and countless other cars.  

Imacl8, if you have a grudge take it up with the tuner this is not the place.

"Put it in the car" is easy, unplug standard ECU and plug in PFC, all you need is a 10mm spanner and 5 minutes. I have yet to find a car that doesn't start and run first turn of the key.

As for tuning, with the PFC 90% of the work is done. It already has all of the tricky stuff loaded, cold start and run, hot start, over run, afm calibration, idle speeds, lambda calibration, air con, power steer and electrical load compensation etc . All the tuning that takes hours and sometimes days to get right is done out of the box.

So it is a simply a matter of tuning for power (fuel and ignition) and the PFC is no different to any other ECU in that regard, it has load points and settings. The first time our dyno guy tuned a car with a PFC he sat and read the Commander manual (yes the RX7 one and he was tuning a Skyline) for about 20 minutes. He then put the car on the dyno and started tuning with the Commander. Result, 45 minutes later a perfectly tuned car. In the last 12 months or so we have been using a Datalogit on the laptops and he can tune most Skylines in ~20 minutes.

I taught a guy in the US over the phone how to tune a PFC, he had the RX7 Commander Manual and we went through it. He picked it up without much help from me, 'cause I am not a good tuner. His comment to me was "you mean I don't have to set it it up?" Nope, just start tuning. "Shoot man, what a snap".

There are some great tuners in WA, I simply don't believe that they couldn't work with a PFC, because it isn't really any different to any other ECU. Just easier than most, as it is very well set up for the model of car it is designed for. Let's face it there are more and more PFC's arriving everyday, so the tuner that does the best job will get lots of work.

PS; doesn't Lumpy do PFC's?

[IMACUL8]

SK, find me someone in WA who will put a pfc in my car and i will do it.  I spent close to a year shopping for ecu's.  Options came down to Wolf, Autronics or Link.  I was wary of the lack of people willing to tune wolf, and i couldnt justify the autronics for the 50% extra cost over the Link, as i've said it does a respectable job in mine and countless other cars.  

Imacl8, if you have a grudge take it up with the tuner this is not the place.

Mate

No grudge at all - I have no idea who tuned your car - thats why I asked .......... and I didn't bring shit up - I just mearly asked who tuned your car......

So who did it - cause it may be different to who did mine?

Dan

[DCIEVE]

You can tune a PFC over there no worries.

many places can do em

"Put it in the car" is easy, unplug standard ECU and plug in PFC, all you need is a 10mm spanner and 5 minutes. I have yet to find a car that doesn't start and run first turn of the key.

My point was, there isnt a plugin for the hr31 skyline. There are plenty of people to tune the PFC but how do i install a plugin designed for a different car?? SK you seem to have thrown them in everything so let us know how if its so easy. Like I said i spent ALOT of time looking around, at the time there was NO plugins for a HR31. As far as i know there still isnt. However thats besides the point, the man asked for opinions on the Link and i gave mine as a person who lives with a link equipped car.

Imacl8, car was initially tuned by leigh at RMS and lately Hyperdrive have been looking after it while we try to iron out a few problems with the motor. I wont go into your grievances with Leigh but suffice to say he certainly isnt the clown;)

[IMACUL8]

My point was, there isnt a plugin for the hr31 skyline.  There are plenty of people to tune the PFC but how do i install a plugin designed for a different car?? SK you seem to have thrown them in everything so let us know how if its so easy.   Like I said i spent ALOT of time looking around, at the time there was NO plugins for a HR31.  As far as i know there still isnt.  However thats besides the point, the man asked for opinions on the Link and i gave mine as a person who lives with a link equipped car.  

Imacl8, car was initially tuned by leigh at RMS and lately Hyperdrive have been looking after it while we try to iron out a few problems with the motor.  I wont go into your grievances with Leigh but suffice to say he certainly isnt the clown;)

hhahahahhahahahahahahahaha

No worries champ - LINK power

[teejay]

dan, nick, gimme a hug.. relax guys , this has been one of the better threads about ecu's , lets not spoil it with wa politics

[IMACUL8]

TJ

Theres no problem at all ....... i hope people don't think that.

We were talking about ECU's - DECIEVE said he was happy with his I asked who tuned it.

I didn't air any grievances or name any workshops did I.

I think it's a excellent thread about ECU's.

Dont make something out of nothing TOM.

Dan

[Sydneykid]

My point was, there isnt a plugin for the hr31 skyline.  There are plenty of people to tune the PFC but how do i install a plugin designed for a different car?? SK you seem to have thrown them in everything so let us know how if its so easy.   Like I said i spent ALOT of time looking around, at the time there was NO plugins for a HR31.  As far as i know there still isnt.  However thats besides the point, the man asked for opinions on the Link and i gave mine as a person who lives with a link equipped car.  

What engine are you runing in the HR31?

If it is an RB20DET then use an R32 GTST Power FC with an R32GTST engine harness

If it is an RB26DETT then use an R32 GTR Power FC with an R32GTR engine harness

If it is an RB25DET then use an R32 GTST Power FC with an R33GTST engine harness

That's the method that I have found to be the simplest. There are so many half cuts around, getting an engine harness hasn't proven to be a problem. The only other trick is making sure you use ALL of the right sensors for the Power FC model.

As for the Link question, I am not sure what else I should have done. If only people with Links respond to his question, he is only ever going to get half the story. And I don't think that is why he asked the question. The other problem is I might be very happy with my ECU, until I drive a a similar car with another brand ECU and find out that mine is not as good as I thought. Lastly, people are sometime reluctant to say that they made a mistake and bought the wrong thing. (Not in any way suggesting that this is the situation in your case.) After all they have to sell their car one day and it won't help if they rubbish it along the way.

My 20 cents worth

[teejay]

What engine are you runing in the HR31?

If it is an RB20DET then use an R32 GTST Power FC with an R32GTST engine harness

If it is an RB26DETT then use an R32 GTR Power FC with an R32GTR engine harness

If it is an RB25DET then use an R32 GTST Power FC with an R33GTST engine harness

then its not truly a plug and play ecu is it? i think people expect plug and play to be just that.. pnp

[teejay]

TJ

Theres no problem at all ....... i hope people don't think that.

We were talking about ECU's - DECIEVE said he was happy with his I asked who tuned it.

I didn't air any grievances or name any workshops did I.

I think it's a excellent thread about ECU's.

Dont make something out of nothing TOM.

Dan

wasnt tyring to mate, just sounded like we where about to go down a familiar road.. my apologies

[C_DawG]

']then its not truly a plug and play ecu is it? i think people expect plug and play to be just that.. pnp

Its plug and play for the car its designed for!

[teejay]

have you actually bothered to read any of the thread, or just my post?

read some more before you go oh wow ill tell him what he already knows

im well aware that they are pnp for the car they are made for, sk was saying that to make it pnp on nicks car, he would have to change a few things... thats no longer pnp is it