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Roy Grand Master

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Roy - I've read similar and considered there might be something in it, but with so many front running FIA GT, Le Mans, SCCA Sports Cars and many of cateogries using them, I figured if teams like that who seach for hundreds, not tenths of a second advantage, monobloc must be the ducks.

Dido, but the metallurgy of the calipers vary greatly. You only have to look at std calipers like the Porshe gear and my understanding is that these are monobloc due to cost of maufacturing.

You look at the race calipers being used in motorsport and the materials used for construction are completely different to those used on monobloc Porsche calipers and some of the cheaper Alcon 6 pots etc.

They have the same size pistons, accept similar sized rotors etc, but the difference between a $6,500 monobloc race caliper and a $800 GT3 6 pot caliper is huge mainly in weight and rigidity, and thats because of the metallurgy of the caliper.

And my understanding is an AP CP555 2pce 6 pot caliper is more rigid and will give better life as well as performance over the Porsche 6 pot...but of course wont come close to the 'race' monoblocs which are not aluminium

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i thought brembos were quite rare in the v8 series, with most using ap or alcon gear.

they run a 17 inch rim and fit 375mm discs, which is interesting given that most people seem to go to 18's when they go over about 343mm. i guess all rims are not equal, te37 17's have bags of room with 324mm front Brembos and the template off the ap site suggests they wil take 355s also. 375 is a bit bigger again though...

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Ronin 09 Grand Master

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AP was bought by Brembo recently.

I know of at least a few teams running 'brembo' branded calipers.

They look similar to this

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I think you'll find most of the older AP branded stuff is not branded Brembo as Brembo want more brand awareness of 'Brembo' here than AP

Nacho Vidal Enthusiast

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not trying to ruffle any feathers or bag any product, merely repeating what i was told when i was pricing up upgrades (CSC vs AP) by a reputable brake outlet (wont name names, but race brakes are their specialty) "CSC brakes would make a a good boat anchor".

i was keen on the CSC's due to the price, and ive never used them so im not baggin them, but anyone know where those sort of comments couldve stemmed from?

Ronin 09 Grand Master

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not trying to ruffle any feathers or bag any product, merely repeating what i was told when i was pricing up upgrades (CSC vs AP) by a reputable brake outlet (wont name names, but race brakes are their specialty) "CSC brakes would make a a good boat anchor".

i was keen on the CSC's due to the price, and ive never used them so im not baggin them, but anyone know where those sort of comments couldve stemmed from?

a certain brake shop known for race brake works is sometimes more biased to their products.

Roy Grand Master

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Frm a bloke not selling them...who perhaps hsa a vested interest in selling a different more expensive brand?!?!?!

At the end of the day, they are almost a bolt on option, they take std Porsche pads so there is a huge range of compounds available. They run a 343 x 32 mm rotor with a good sized 4 pot caliper.

Based purely on the rotor size they would make a great upgrade. The caliper cant be any worse then the old std equipment Nissan 4 pot (id say the CSC is markedly superior to anything the Nissan factory have ever thrown on a Nissan)

And at the price they are abloody good upgrade. The real question is could the average unter really tell the difference between say an AP 4 pot caliper or a CSC 4 pot caliper on the same sized rotor with same pad material? Oh hang on the most commonly available 4 pot AP street caliper is only suitable for a 28mm rotor!

So baot anchor? Nothing is ever clear cut, and i havent run the CSC but there are plenty in Voc that do, and the owners i have spoken to have all been happy bar one...who was happy with what they did considering the price, but not the ultimate result.

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Brembo does own AP racing but they are run as two seperate companies, competiting against each other. SBR and FPR both use Brembo.

There are commonly avaliable AP calipers that take larger than 28mm discs, they can also be spaced.

look at www.apracing.com they have alot of good info on there

it also depends on what you want to do with the car, ie fast road, track work. different setups will suit different people.

Roy Grand Master

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There are commonly avaliable  AP calipers that take larger than 28mm discs, they can also be spaced.

If you go to most brake places, the most often offered caliper is the CP5200. It takes from memory a 330mm diam rotor up to 32mm thk. Off the shelf without the spacer they take a 28mm thk rotor. To the best of my understanding they are around the $800-900 each. So looking at the $2200 for the CSC, its great value for a kit including radial mounts, slotted curved vane rotors with hats and of course the calipers and Bendix pads.

Not saying AP arent great, or that they are poor value for money. Im just saying that the CSC 4 pot kit is great value. The 6 pot at $3500 in my eyes doesnt represent the value that an AP kit using the CP5555 6 pot caliper but you are 100% right...its horses for courses :)

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...We'll I've got CSC and I'm happy. They will be put to the test in my GTRs first circuit meeting late this month. What sold it for me was that if they were crap, even slightly rubbish, Simon Gishus from Nizpro sure as hell wouldn't be putting them on his cars!

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