Compliance Issue

[SKY031]

A mate who has a 32 recently got defected. (how unusual)

......anyway, the items which were required to be repaired were repaired, but on taking the car back to VicRoads to get the canary lifted, he was told that the car does not meet compliance standards even though it was purchased with a Compliance Certificate.

Vic Roads say that due to the amount of time that has passed since the car was purchased, the onus is now on the owner to pay to get the car complied, even though it was originally purchased with compliance.

Surely some of the responsibility must also rest with VicRoads?

They should never have issued registration without proper certification of compliance, and if there were compliance issues at the time the car was originally registered, surely they should have dealt with it at that time?

How are VicRoads able to wash their hands of it if dodgy dealers are selling cars with fake compliance?

What if this vehicle had been involved in an accident?

Would insurance be void because the car should never have been on the road in the first place?

Has anyone experienced anything similar?

Any help/stories/referals would be appreciated.

[saff_cossie]

What are the required items? Is it just seatbelts? Or is it tyres, intrusion beams etc?

For the hassle that is involved if things turn nasty with the person who complied, it might just be easier to buy the bits. Of course all depends on the cost and how easy it is to source the bits.

Never heard of that happening before though.

[SKY031]

I didn't bother mentioning any of the "bits", because the "bits" aren't the point.

This car was purchased with compliance.

VicRoads are now saying the compliance isn't valid.

The main concern at this point is trying to establish how VicRoads can say that compliance is not valid, when the car has been previously registered?

I've never purchased an import myself, but you would assume that when you buy a complied import, that compliance has been added into the cost of the sale.... surely the owner shouldn't have to pay to have it complied twice?!?!

[saff_cossie]

Ok, seeing as you dont want to mention the "bits"

Is the car actually illegal or is it Vic Roads telling him/her it is illegal seeing as we dont know the "bits". We are all human and the person they took it to could be wrong.

If it is indeed illegal:

Has he sought further opinion from a higher level in Vic Roads or even another branch, incase this person is in some way confused or misinformed?

Is there anyway of tracking who originally signed off the compliance at Vic Roads so help can be sought in that area (bad employee, misinformed etc)

My main concern would be getting the car to a road worthy state so it can be presented for signing and cross the bridge at that stage.

If the vehicle is not in a legal state, there is no choice but to get it complied a second time.

[R31Nismoid]

This is what happens with rebirthing etc.

They just come and take the car if they find out.

you get no compensation.

Its a joke. VICTORIA is a joke

[Ant97GTR]

It might have to do with the situation where an importers cars have been inspected and found to be dodgy. They then list all the cars imported by them and require them to be inspected and sorted if anything is missing. Don't know how vicroads would find that the side intrusion bars are missing during a simple canary clear so if the items are fairly small get them fixed.

[GTRgeoff]

Compliance is managed at a Commonwealth level by DOTRS but must also be roadworthy in the state of rego. I would contact said epartment and cut out the Vic incompetence.

[SKY031]

yeah i think contacting dotars might be the way to go, thanks all.

[KamikazeR33]

i was gonna say that aswell

they can give u a document saying it has been complied... if they still complain then its basically just a unroadworthy vehical that needs items attended 2.

anyone else agree with wat im saying?

[ylwgtr2]

why are the "bits" not being mentioned????This is ofcourse relevent.....i mean seatbelts are a part of compliance and if the "bits"were to be seatbelts then i would say that is not the current owners fault...however child restraints are also part of the compliance and the owner could have removed them to make way for his rear speakers therfore its his fault....and why are we all saying "bits" in inverted commers?Bottom line is they cannot revoke plate as although the vehicles were issued there plates under low volume/sevs legally after they have been done they should be treated as any other full volume vehicle

[funkymonkey]

just some insight that might help:

my cefiro was complianced in Vic, by a VICRoads recognised engineer. I went to transfer it to NSW as the car spends more time there than it does in VIC, and they wanted me to recompliance it using an engineer that the RTA recognised as the VIC one wasn't. And the changes required to be made to the car... NONE! Its just bureaucratic homo mumbo jumbo.

I'd dare say the compliance was done by someone who isn't VICRoads approved and the certificate was issued in a state other than VIC, which is why it has to be recomplianced for rego.

[KamikazeR33]

funky i never had to do that in nsw, all i had to show was a piece of paper showing it was imported as a full car.

nothin bout engineers or being recompliance

[GTRgeoff]

Likewise my 3 imports that were done in NSW and ACT were fine to bring here to Vic with just direct transfer of rego.

Ever want to really put a govt department representative on the back foot? Ask for a formal correspondence citing the exact requirements and the references that back it up. Ask the references be enclosed as well. Often the BS will then go away. Sometimes they just do stuff on a partial understanding or hearesay and when they actually have to substantiate it or read the references they understand and stop the crap.

States don't manage importing and compliance, the Commonwealth does. States don't validate the qualifications of Engineers, IEAust does and the Commonwealth recognises that. States only authorise VASS engineers (or equivalent in other states) to work within their framework. Hence if an engineer in one state has completed the engineering inspection IAW the federal requirement that DOTRS have mandated the states then have no authority to question that other than through DOTRS. If DOTRS have a recall issued it will be through the states licensing and rego authority and they should say as such. Not that Vic has an issue with the compliance but DOTRS requires it be re-inspected, not just fully recomplied.

[funkymonkey]

Tell that to the RTA... they didn't want to acknowledge that the car passed compliance regulations if it wasn't signed for by an engineer listed in the following doc:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/dow...s/vsi/vsi15.pdf

Hell I'm a member of IE Aust as well, but rather than argue the matter it was easier for me to just renew my rego in VIC At least I didn't have to deal with NSW red tape and their collection of technicolour slips.

[KamikazeR33]

well u got raped then

or maybe the rta here in albury are just morons?

[funkymonkey]

well u got raped then

or maybe the rta here in albury are just morons?

Albury's probably more lax on VIC car transfers because they can spit out the window and it'd land in Wondonga.