GT-R32

LOL Baron and Blitzs should be listened to in this case. I didn't even think of it with a sceptical thought like they did.

What a f**king pig Troy.

A properly built engine should not suffer any of those symptoms. I would be going the $3k 2.8L. Lucky man!

And the V8 Supercars have nothing to do with the bodies they carry around underneath, plus have more power.

ABS said they hadn't dealt with twin plates and recommended ESP - who said it would be very unlikely to be the clutch itself - but we will see. Car is going in next Wednesday.

Thanks I'll see what ABS say, hopefully today.

If I have it determined that in the installation process they have done something wrong, and it's not the clutch itself that is faulty (which I supplied but was brand new), then yes I would certainly expect some form of compensation. And I would think that they would too. They have said it is entirely clutch issues. The individual who installed it said it was particularly difficult which was not confidence inspiring to say the least - not saying it happened at all but if they have not installed the cover properly they could have distorted the plate or diaphram. If they hung the box on the input while trying to line it up (which I was told was hard to do), they could have bent the plate also. This can cause the same issues. I'm curious to know how often do clutches display this behaviour through being faulty from new? Thanks for those, I'll call ABS tomorrow.

So... I have quote a problem with my clutch. It's a loooooong story but basically the workshop has said it's likely the clutch causing the problems. Since I have paid a sizeable amount of a brand new ORC709D (700HP twin plate) and also for its installation, before I go replacing it I would like to get someone to look at it. Symptoms are: Very difficult to get into gear from neutral; car then creeps ever so slightly when put into gear; however take up point of the clutch is then as it should be. Apparently the workshop had the clutch out twice, ran two different bearings - now has the correct one in there as I checked the aftermarket part number - didn't have this fitted the first time. The workshop couldn't tell me which carrier they used, other than 'normal GTR one' (this clutch needs the short 14mm one which is not the 'normal' 18mm one). But they have fitted a number of these exact clutches before with no issues. Before I pay for yet another twin plate clutch and for its installation I would like to rule out adjustment, bearing/carrier and spigot bearing. To do that I would need a specialist as the workshop couldn't give me the carrier number and wasn't aware that there were different carrier sizes, nor could they suggest what might be they issue with the clutch itself - if indeed that is the cause. However they said they played with adjustment a lot with no luck. Any suggestions of where would be greatly appreciated. The car is a 1989 GTR so it's a push clutch.

As much as I think they are pointless and annoying, I think this is yet another sad loss for the individual and their freedoms.

If I find out my clutch is f**ked, I will be calling Jim Berry for sure. But I really don't want to spend another $2500 on a clutch, plus $900 fitment.

I will run those checks probably on the weekend. With regard to adjustment, I would agree, but when it creeps it does when you smash it into gear that then it has a normal take up point further up the pedal. I'm not driving it as I don't want to do it damage. It didn't come with its own carrier, it was clutch only in the Ogura packaging. It's a twin plate. What are the chances that the clutch is actually stuffed and how can I tell if it is?

10/89 I am pretty sure. Only a month or two out, if it's not that.

ORC-709D-01N is the clutch part number. Where do you work mate?

According to the other thread 18mm is the ''normal'' GTR carrier length while my ORC needs the less common 14mm. The workshop couldn't tell me what they used but said it was the "normal" one (which is the long one). I don't like the sound of that either...? I'll be seriously disappointed if I found out the spigot bearing is rooted. The flywheel has been off twice with these issues and they didn't check it? $972 later! Anyway no point worrying now, it's only speculation

f**k I hope that wasn't the 'normal' one they put in my car for the ORC709D.

They have written it off as being entirely the clutches fault. They are at a loss on what else it might be and upset having spent the additional time on taking the 'box out a second time plus more than usual on adjustment. Far out, I guess I should reassess 'just seeing how it goes.' Thanks for your help Daniel, it's much appreciated.

They didn't change the spigot bearing. Shit I don't like the sound of the rest of that, I'd never know for sure either. What do you mean I'll find out soon enough...?

Well I picked up the car anyway. Very difficult to get into gear from neutral when idle. Car then creeps initially but stops. Take up point is as it should be. Still have no idea what carrier they have used. I'll drive it for a while and just hope it beds in and gets better. Take off, pedal feel and changing gears etc is very nice - great clutch when working I am sure!

Thanks again Daniel. I'll take the car at lunch and later, as they can't tell me what carrier they used, when I have a minute will check the things you've written up here. If anyone can tell me whether the ORC709D requires the 'normal' GTR carrier or the one this workshop doesn't know exists, that would be great. It's a bit of a blind game if they can't tell me that or the part number.

Great reply. Thanks very much. Throwout bearing type is correct as far as I can see now. They couldn't tell me the carrier part number and only said that "it's the same for all GTRs, the only difference is a push/pull arrangements". They said they have spent time on adjustment and still no luck. I will try the pumping the thing when I go out there at lunch. I wish they could tell me what f**king sleeve they used!! Located in Canberra.

So I have verified that the bearing they have fitted is now correct (they had a different one in it previously). He couldn't tell me the carrier part number that he fitted. He said that they are all the same for GTRs. Does this clutch require a different sized carrier to what GTRs normally do?

Hi there Having an ongoing issue with my clutch fitment. The workshop has tried twice and the same problem persists: The take is wrong as the car wants to 'creep' when the foot is depressed and in neutral the car is hard to get into gear. I have heard of these issues where the the wrong carrier and bearing has been used and someone on here having it done multiple times for this reason. The workshop I have the car at has tried twice. The Chinese aftermarket part they installed this time has a part no. TK40-1B2. They couldn't tell me the bearng length either. If I can demonstrate to them that the wrong bearing has been used they will refit the clutch with that bearing and I will accept the car as is. I can't tell whether this Chinese bearing currently fitted is wrong when compared to the following which is should be for this clutch: 30501-N1604 bearing sleeve, and 30502-14601 throwout bearing. At the moment they are blaming the clutch. I would greatly appreciate some help!! Thanks, Matt

http://www.japanpowerinc.com/car_details/1...SAN_SKYLINE_GTR Tidy car - says 201,000kms. In Australia they would probably wipe 100,000kms off that. Also interesting is the condition, tidy car even in the engine bay. Hence the cars here don't get enough credit for their actual durability. It seems that the Canadian importers are more honest than their Australian equivalents.

Yeah it's the 709D. That could also be the case. Either that or it isn't aligned properly...? I certainly won't be paying if it's not right and they blame the brand new clutch (bloke on the phone yesterday was hinting toward that). They said they have done several of these exact clutches before, the bloke who is there being the reason I took it there, who has a history of GTRs, said that there shouldn't be any issues but someone who did their apprenticeship at a Toyota dealership was the one working on it and complaining. I would be grateful if you can give me the part number as the person installing it complained it was more difficult than others they had done.

Thanks for the info as usual. Good to hear, I've heard 340rwkw with the stock R32 airbox also. I would love 300rwkw but anything over 260rwkw is a bonus. Got a turbo (and more importantly clutch - hopefully today!) issue to sort out now anyway.