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The ATR43SS appeared above would be the best option for that sort of HP. Or if you have a stock R33 or R34 turbo we can also high flow that to archive the same HP goal (250rwkws). The high pressure actuator is recommended as it can hold more boost up on top and excellent working with EBC or MBC.
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Don't really need externalgate on GT3071. You can run it with a strong actuator. How every ou can weld a screamer pipe on to the turbine housing, but be sure to check its face tolerance after welding as likely it would be distorted by heat.
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Yes I'm doing up some drawings on the custom blow nozzles for the current .82 rear housings. which should make a big difference to the current ATR43 and PU high flow's response. I should have that tested and ready in about 2 weeks, if all goes as planned we can carry out updates on customer's turbine housings. Also my tune was done based on 9 sec ramp timing. I also did a comparison run based on 12 sec ramp timing (in red) which many of the dyno section sheets are, longer ramp rate makes all data appear slightly advanced. This is set depending on tuners preferences. ps. in run below we were tried to add in more boost which didn't make any more power, so this turbo is fully maxed out at 320rwkws.
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More update for the SS profile: I've had that dyno tuned at status today (Big thanks for Trent's work). I've decided to use traditional sleeve bearing setup instead of ceramic ball bearings, as most people won't be paying that much for such a minior difference. Also I'm not very confident with the BB's "clean oil" theory when putting up with 20 years old engines. (of course I can't tell any one to bugger off and blame your engine oil as Garrett normally do). This is also the very first FNT experiment with one customized blow nozzle. Car Dynoed based on 9 sec ramp speed as always, not 12 or 13 secs for happy results. BP 98 Fuel, No boost controller, No wastegate controller 286rwkws @ 17psi. BP 98 Fuel, No boost controller, Wastegate controller wastegate controller set 320rwkws @ 20psi I'm very happy with this results, Its not only as what appeared on paper, its made an very fast street car. boost comes in nice and early, smooth acceleration, minium wheel spin, hard pull till red line.
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Rb25 Turbo Upgrade, All Dyno Results
hypergear replied to Nacho Vidal's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
ATR43SS with high pressure actuator: 800cc injectors Nistune ECU Z32 AFM 600x300x75mm FMIC 3inch turbo back exhaust 3inch intake pipe with pod. CP pistons Stock engine head Stock cams Stock cam gears Stock exhaust manifold Stock inlet manifold Stock fuel rail Stock engine block, Con rod & Crank. Dyno run abased on 9 sec Ramp timing: BP 98 Fuel, No boost controller, No wastegate controller 286rwkws @ 17psi. BP 98 Fuel, No boost controller, Wastegate controller wastegate controller set at 320rwkws @ 20psi Dyno run based on 12 sec Ramp timing with more boost maxing out the turbo, (red = 12sec, Green = 9 sec): Make sure you know the dyno's ramp speed when comparing results, or its point less. Tricks in pointing them out is in page 73 of our high flow thread. -
It looks like oil drainage issue caused from excessive crank case pressure, which forced out of the turbine seals along with few drops of oil.
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I have a feeling this prototype one is going to push close to 300rwkws which wasn't what I'm hopping for, tune booked in on Monday so I should find out what happens. The current SS would push out 250rwkws with factory response. As for the Holden VL we normally high flow the factory turbo with 3576 equivalent with our custom 58T 76mm comp wheel and .70 comp. That’s enough for it to produce around 300rwkws with pretty good response. Or you can use ATR45 in .82 rear, which is rated to about 650HP. Stock comp housing is not in my preferred list unless used for KAI or PU profile high flows. They've got an surge grove just above stock comp wheel. Once machined to fit larger comp wheels, it leaves with a shallow grove in between the upper and lower blades. That acts as a Anti-surge slot which has small affects on mid range and top end power. PU/KAI profile with surge slot removed and intake nozzle back cut and shortened
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Can be ft into stock housings, but I would perfer to have our .64 custom nozzled T3x Nissan patterned housing for best out come.
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Garrett Gt3076R Turbo
hypergear replied to l0WRB's topic in For Sale (Private Car Parts and Accessories)
This Garrett turbo was brand new when supplied, and this is not the first time I've seen this happening, I had few GT30 and GT28 high flowed turbos sent in for larger turbine housing which found to have burnt turbine wheels. I have made an warranty inquiry for this guy which has been refused. Garrett blamed bad tune, I think its the materials used is either not heat resistant enough or just too thin. I have no involvement in building this turbo and not the right person in sorting other people's product / service issues. -
The boost curve is under the power curve on both of those. and yes I was getting 18psi pre 2500RPMs with the SS-2 profile. They were some of the early runs I've done all running 14psi actuator with pump 98 fuel. I've later re-dawn the actuator with wastegate setup, changing the traditional single spring to a twin spring setup, current actuator runs minimum of 18psi with no boost controller, that made lot of differences. This is one of my custom made turbine wheel on OP6: http://www.digi-hardware.com/images/dynosheets/atr43/op6highflow321rwkw.jpg Its a duel ceramic ball bearing high flow setup based on a OP6 turbine housing internal gate at 24psi with pump 98, 345rwkws on 28psi. Should increase mid range by 15% and push almost 400rwkws on E85. Traditional GT30 turbine will not be able to flow that, sierra wheel might if cropped out heaps which will not have the same mid range. I'll be pretty keen to trail few of the larger profiles on M35 down the track, hopefully be making the same sort of power.
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based on RWKWs vs RPM I only said its not responsive if that was on a RB25det, not auto VQ25det. my apologies I must've miss read as I thought that was from a Sierra high flow. I've fixed the link on the VQ25det high flow profiles based on Rb25det. Which is what we've been high flow VQ25det turbos with. I will post results when I get them sent in from our customers.
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Your result turned out to be similar as the Cropped Sierra high flow based on a OP6 Rb25det: I'm sure it works great. But I won't call that responsive for its power if it is on a RB25det. Any way, we only use 2x profiles for the VQ25det high flowing. Based on Rb25det ATR43SS-2 profile in OP6: http://www.digi-hardware.com/images/dynosheets/atr43/atr43ss2250rwkw.jpg and ATR43G1 profile in OP6: http://www.digi-hardware.com/images/dynosheets/atr43/253rwkwsop6highflow.JPG ATR43SS-2 profile is higher rated, as its got about the same response as the stock turbo while providing more torque and power on factory setup.
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At moment all my test results came from Rb25det, But by experiences doing high flows for M35 customers I'm aware how different wheels would affect its driving ability. I found Garrett GT30 turbine wheel is abit restrictive for stock housing. I haven't seen one managed to flow more then 260rwkws internal gate on stock housing. The once that you've seen making 270rwkws on Rb25dets is a cropped version of sierra wheel. I sure the sierra turbined high flow you've got will out perform the GT3071 in peek power. In regarding to the customized turbine wheel that I've drawn and made early 2010 have proven making more power with better response compare to the old sierra setup. Assume if a turbo made N power on a RB25det is there a formula that we can calculate of what it would make on a VQ25det?
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Actually I have done few of those turbos, and I'm fully aware of what those are like. They aren't same as Rb25det skylines, to high flow them we generally use 2871 52T equivalent or a 3071 52T equivalent profile. They produce very good midrange, and tops out around 250rwkws which is what you really want in a wagon with the stock auto. I did use the sierra wheels but not in my preferred list, standard don't flow enough, once cropped it gives this big wack of power increase within very short RPM range after certain RPMs, the GT28 turbine wheel and our customized GT30 turbine wheel are lot smoother on road. I'm not a big fan of BB CHRAs even thou we can build them, definitely result none difference working with stock housings. The theory only support them assume they work in fully clean oil, but did not consider much with oil drag, as well as engine oil contamination, I personally think its hard to not have any engine fillings in the oil on a 15 years old every day driven vehicle. on other hand small amount of metal particles can only leave a small scratch on the bush on sleeve setup which gets filled by compressed oil results no difference in turbo performance. just my 2C
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Ca18 Silvia Radiator Fit An Rb25 R33?
hypergear replied to Justlikemusic's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
Yes it will fit and works fine. -
I will need to modify your turbine housing for that to work. So you need to send in your turbine housing.
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Those are $1450 inc GST, oil line and high pressure actuator. I have result of it on Rb25det and CA18det only. The difference between the RB20det profile and Rb25det turbo profile (the billet BB) is the turbine wheel and rear housing. Reason I don't use the billet wheel as a more responsive alternative please refer to the drawing of the billet wheel in page 69. Thinner hub = larger blades = greater flow per rotation = greater HP = greater resistance per rotation = greater lag How ever on a RB25det this tinny amount of lag is not very noticeable, but definitely made more mid range, I don't think it would peek as much power as the ATR43G3s but definitely fast on road with excellent driving ability.
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At moment not. only been told its responsive on road by other customers. But I do have some results of them on CA18det, not sure if that helps.
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SS is already complete there are 2x profiles one's. Both in .64 rear with .60 comp. Those won't make huge amount of power on RB20dets but good for a responsive street / drift car. That billet SS with ball bearing I've built is aimed at RB25det.
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I've updated prices for them in page 1. The ATR43G3 .82 rear with .70 comp externally gated in T3x flange and 5 bolt T4x dump pattern is $1100 inc GST, oil line is $80.
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Critique My Dyno Graph Gt3076R!
hypergear replied to sriver killer's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
little technical hint which I usually don't give out. By increasing the clearance of the blow nozzle of the turbine housing to turbine wheel can reduce EGT at high RPMs. -
Need to run wastegate controller to hold that sort of boost to red line on a RB20det turbo. I haven't had much experience with RB20 actuators as most of what we've got are Rb25 turbos. To test it simply hook on a gauge to a compressor nozzle and see at what psi it starts to move. RB25det once pretty much started to let loose just under 2psi, this is assume there is no back pressure. With back pressure I think it starts to let go as soon as it hits boost. For people whom orders bolton Rb20det turbos we normally modify ATR28G1 / G2 in .64 rear with T3x flange and 6 bolt patterns (current ATR43SS profile). Those are close to stock alike response and rated to around the 200~230rwkws mark. I'm working on a drawing of a adjustable actuator at moment, which is basically an reversed drawing of an external gate that you can change spings or load the spring with a pressure plate. Also ATR43 is now available in 3x different bolt patterns: Naked suitable for externally gated application, Vband internally gated, and Nissan RB2x OEM. They are priced referring to the amount of time, material and work required.
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The Just jap ones don't fit. Have a read at page 55 to 61 there are plenty of info on how to setup a hard intake pipe and where AFM and BOV should go. Also stock actuator starts to open around 2psi and high pressure actuator starts to open at 15psi. That makes a difference in response as well.
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mmm... I'm not very convienced till you get a 3inch hard intake pipe made with a high prssure actautor installed. If that still doesn't work you can trade it back for a SS high flow. But either way its won't have stock alike response
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Sorry I only some data from those GTR high flows at this stage. But thanks for offering.