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I have come out of the local butchers after hours where i have been eating raw meat fresh off the bone to see GTR owners under the street lights at night giving each other reach arounds and engaging in copulation with one another.... they also spend far too much time in front of their car's heavy tinting checking their eyebrows are correctly plucked and their 'teased' and 'tinted' hair is in place. I prefer flanos and women...but thats just me !

So that was the disaster I call "talk to your tuner before buying parts". I still have not learnt my lesson. Basically Racepace tuned the car to a nice , safe and reliable 234rwkws. After about a year I wanted more grunt and everybody says cams do that for you on an RB. So i grabbed some Apexi, 260/9.00mm cams, threw them in with a new timing belt, idler bearings and water pump and tuned away. Hours of dyno time later, the thing was las laggy and didnt respond to fuel and ignition whislt tuning as well as it did with std cams, suggesting the engine was now over cam'd. So back went the std cams and voila....engine was a lot more responsive and because I had an appetite for more power Racepace just leaned on the tune a little to give it another 30rwkws odd at the same boost, just with ignition and fuel changes, perhaps a further tweak of the cam gears. Tune is still rock solid with no issues, having run as high as 22psi boost with no issue and engine still has no blow by. Std cams seem to be the way to go when you have a small little 8cm exhaust housing...even with the cams the engine seems to just choke on its exhaust gases. I will try soem 256/8.5 or 26/10.25cams if the Plazmaman plenum gives a performance increase sufficient enough for me to go to a 10cm exhaust housing.

Dont you know? GTR owers spend more money on their montly grooming and hair cuts then GTSt owners do on petrol, food and personal hygiene products

Because he turns homo and wants to go the hairdressers in his GTR for a $86 bleach and perm! He is already turning his back on the brotherhood by putting a flithy RB25 in it.... You want a GTR, just go buy one. They are good things, and at the end of the day a car will only be as quick as the money that has been spent on it. Buy the right GTR that has already got the rebuilt engine with sump etc, perhaps brakes and rebuilt transfer cars etc and you will be out there enjoying yourself....

I have a set in my R32. They have slightly softer padding then R34GTR seats so a little more comfy. The material is decent enough quality. but doesnt like Austraian sun and can fade after about two years of exposure to bright Aussie sun. The tilting mechanism on the wide is also a big agricultural with a rather ugly looking lever, but apart from that they are a good seat. I f the asking price was close to R34 seats i would get the R34 seats, If yo ustand to dave +400 then i would go East Bear

So the fire...best we can come up with is... the coolant line that goes into the heating core in the firewall runs about 2" away from the high mount dump pipe. When the engine bay was all cleaned we found a split in this hose. After being towed from the track there was signs of coolant all over the engine bay so we think what has happened is the red hot exhaust has ignited the coolant when it was sprayed out the split. If you look at the MSDS for ethylene glycol it is flammable in at atmosphere concentration of something like 10% when pre heated to over 90deg C. So far fetched but the best we can come up with is that the split sprayed a mist of pressurised glycol/water mix onto the manifold/turbo/dump. The glycol was over 90 deg C , it was a track session after all. The red hot exhaust meant that any water in the mist probably quickly evaporated leaving enough of a mix of glycol mist that was ignited by the 700-800deg C exhaust. It wasnt a big fire that was hard to control, it had mostly blown itself out by the time we opened the bonnet, but the bonnet lining and other bits were burning which ended up causing the most problems extinguishing. You will see now I have those lines and the fire wall all sheathed up trying to protect it from heat. I have also HPC coated and exhaust wrapped and made a alloy/fibreglass shield to help control temps Anyway...yeh, the VIC Track Gods....seems they weren't finished with me yet. The car was proving hell reliable, but some of the bits on the old girl were starting to show their age. Many will have already seen these vids....but you can see from this Phillip Islant footage, the combination of some worn suspension components and what we later found out was a very poor wheel alignment courtesy of a silly laser aligner that had other customer's cars handling like crap. Philip Island ... Engine was strong, but car crabbed in a straight line, walked all over the road under brakes. Also later found out there was a problem with the Whiteline swaybars which were causing headaches under brakes as well as the bar was bottoming out against the sump, effectively drastically reducing front suspension travel. So with these few little things causing me agro at PI, about a month later I went to Sandown where those problems were further compounded by a leak from the top of the gearbox boot. It seems I should have really checked the boot when topping up the gearbox fluid looking for the reason why it was a little low to start with. Turns out at speed it was pissing out all over the rear underside of the car....and of course onto the rear tyres. Not realising that I was driving a compromised car well past the drivers ability I locked the rear brakes and had a woopsie... Sandown Crash ... Now a more switched on driver would have realised that the 3rd gear wheelspin onto the straight was a little unusual and not kept going at full noise, but you live and learn. Very fortunate not to do that much damage. With a bit of love and gusto, i jumped into the boot, kicked the guard back out and it wasn't too bad. (see above pic for little damage to rear drivers qtr) Fixed the few little problems, rushed a spray job onto the front bar and figured best thing for it was to use some big stickers to cover the dent. So that meant we had to enter the 2007 Vic Dutton. Before entering, having just experienced how quickly and easily it can all go pear shaped I went and saw Brown Davis and had them throw in a 4 point cage. I also decided that it was time to replace the Bilsteins which had served me well for around 6 years and proved to still be in excellent health and now find themselves serving another SAU R32 owner well. Main reason was wanting something fresh and with a little more spring. So i grabbed a new set of Tein RAs, sent them off to being re-valved to Racepaces liking with some 8F/6R springs installed. The difference to the cars handling and ride was amazing, with the car really riding the kerbs and bumps of Sandown sooo much better during Dutton. Also meant I was far more confident that the car was not going to kill my co-driver Juz, who only weeks earlier had looped the "Bucking Bullet" at the same place at Sandown as me. Only she showed true class and didn't eat armco like me There certaibly wasnt any problems with being able to lock the front brake. Knowing the camera was rolling for this run I was having a big go, and of course ran out of talent for all to witness. But hey, its a cool shot For the second year in a row the old "Silver Bullet" (nic that the housemate gave it during Dutton 2006) proved that you dont have to be quick or flashy to get coverage...JUST LOUD!!!! ... or really bad (See opening credits when the lil R32 blew past Dean Evans in the Exige at Dutton ... 2007 Dutton Footage ... The previous year the car got a bit of coverage at Shepparton Airport... 6:35min and 7:15min .... During Dutton i again had a problem of cracking another DBA 4000 rotor, requiring a rushed rotor replacement all the way from Melb overnight, courtesy of a member of the R32 brotherhood Tom_g. But when i cracked a rear rotor a few weeks later at Calder I decided enough was enough. It was time to clean up the body, which still had the dent from the Sandown crash, and now courtesy of the very good quality Unique Cars stickers i had missing clear coat I also had the issue with worn components on the car meaning i was having too many little things making it annoying or difficult to drive, or at a min requiring time to patch up at the track which is just a distraction I don't want... and taking it off the road for a while meant I could cruise the internet looking for bargains and buy some new goodies for the old girl. ...Next, the slow refurb...

370rwkws GTR will pull away from a 235rwkws SR20. Depending on reponse of course But what i can tell you is a built RB26 with GT-SS in an R33 running 330rwkws will not get away from a 235rwkws RB20 GTSt running a laggy TD06. A 260rwkws RB20 slowly caught up the same GTR on the straight of PI, up to about 230km/h where the GTR pulled away a little. At Sandown I have been able to keep up with 330-350rwkw GTRs down the straights in my car. Where i forfeit time is onto the straight where they nail 2nd gear and light up all 4 corners and rocket onto the straight they grab a few car lengths. Onto straights like at PI and EC I dont think they jump onto the straight any better. ...arrgh, shit, I cant shut up can i...this time

Thats your decision then But, boxheadmr can no doubt steer. But isnt that the point? You build a car and over time your ability to punt them thing to its optimum is realised? The driver IS the biggest variable in the mix. And the VIC GTR guys are all experience and good punters, with the cars I am talking about have between 330-370rwkws, good suspension, 265/18 semis, modded transfer cases and diffs, big 6 pot fronts and 4 pot rears. The typical time they run at PI is in the 1:45-1:47 window. The guys who have that little bit more engine and less grey matter are in the 44s at PI. If boxheadmr wants to post what his car is then he can. But from what i undertand its a std SR20 with cams and GT-RS making about 235rwkws, has Bilstein shocks and is semi stripped with a cage...also runs some generic Endless knock off brakes. The thing does have a blister pack and a neat body givign it extra track, and looks as though its had weight taken out, but then has a cage so not sure of overall weight. The GTRs are mostly street trim That I am sure is a gross generalisation as all the cars have far more done them then the above, but thats the brush strokes as i see it If its a road car that you want to pot around in and enjoy the occasional track day or spirted drive in then the GTR is hard to go past. If its biased towards track work I think the rwd platforms have merit. LOL, I will shut up now as i am a bit of a scratched record when it comes to standing up for rwds... hourses for courses and I have said my piece

I am with Matt/boxheadmr 1000%. I suck behind the wheel and with a spanner too much to be able to demonstrate what I have been trying to do with SAU-Vic re lap times. Matt came down here last year and in bad conditions lapped his S14 as quick as many of the developed and serious GTRs down here...at his first go! That is 5 seconds quicker then my first and only proper run at PI. So look at the good examples of rwd cars, they are out there...but not as common as good, well sorted GTRs. They get all the limelight at the track so people assunme its the only way to go. I ts a good way to go, but not only The fact that my crappy times still rank in the top few of rwd SAU-Vic means that most serious folk punt GTRs, as my times are ok...but still well off what they should be. I say faster for less money. But at the end of the day you are going to be limtied by whether you still want to drive it as a daily on the road, and how much you want to spend to get that small difference in speed between say a 1:20 at Sandown and a 1:34 at Winton....to a 1:18 at Sandown and a 1:32 at Winton. The difference in what you will need to spend will be a hell of a lot....you will have to have the ability behind the wheel to really hustle the car along....and then its all for crap anyway as you are so limited by how quick you can reasonably go on semis. Throw slicks on the think and you will be going so much quicker for far less extremem mods.... But times are only part of it....it sounds like you want a GTR. So just buy a GTR and be done with it. There are so many, many variables other then base car....so jsut get started and have some fun.

Sorry Riverdance, but I fail to see where in this vid the 300kw GTR is killing the 220kw GTSt They are lapping around the 1:35.5-1:35.1 mark. Thats only 1.6 seconds off the 350rwkws, modded transfer case, uber brake and suspension full weight GTRs in Vic! The GTSt is nothing all that special. Just well put together and well driven. It has off the shelf used Tein REs, a diff and a 2530 with the usual filter and exhaust mods. I think the GTSt may have some 256 Toei cams...but still only has 230rwkws at 1.5bar and using R34 GTT brakes

Yeh, i am saying. If you want to bin the S13, i think an R33 GTS25t is a damn good platform for 1/2 - 1/3 the price of a GTR

Ants GTR is a good example of what you can buy on the market. But its not std. It has an R34 motor with R34 N1s Power Fc, exhaust, some decent suspension under it and a good driver. But it is a pretty good example of what a basic light tune GTR can do on big 18" 265 semis. But take Russ in his R32 GTSt. Same story, std RB20 with a 2530, some off the shelf Teins very similar to what Ant in the GTR is running and the thing is equally as quick. Just look at the vids from the weekend. Truth is often wish i had the grunt and grip of a GTR, it does everything so easily and consistantly. But then i float my lil R32 onto the straight at 180km/h at PI with a bit of oppy lock trying to get on the noise and i would not trade that for anything...lol even if my lap times are sometimes not as quick or whether i can consitantly drive the car quick. So, its what you are after, but i cant see anthing less then 35k getting you rolling in a quick GTR. For 25k you can be in a weapon of a GTSt or S platform that could be quicker. So decide what it is you want to be driving and mod it. All tracks cars are simply a sum of their parts as most late model Nissans form a sound basis to build from. You have an R33 GTS25t which in my book is the best building block for a track car. Regards,

Yeh, the wheels were borrowed from a friend while my TE37s were ebing stripped so we could re-paint them. They came up awesome, cant wait to get them on the car next week. As for the rear wing, its rather hit and miss for me. I got it because i wanted a functional wing for track days. Was concerned many of the big aftermarket wings were more parachutes and drag adding then down force adding...so went with something that is obviously reasonable from the factory. I have a second boot lid that got painted up so it will be going on for street duties.

Well, have hung around SAU dribbling crap for ages....seeing everyone else get in on the build thread thought I would post up the story of my car to date, and keep it updated with some of the bits and pieces I will be doig over the coming weeks/months. The R32 is my second Skyline, owning a mint R31 GTS-X before it. Had an old school T3/4 Sierra based Turbo. Microtech, Volks etc but was t-boned by an idiot one night driving home from uni. So in Nov 99 went hunting for a new Skyline and stumbled accross a silver R32 GTSt (1992) at a car yard in Randwick (uncomplied, straight off the boat). So some wheeling and dealing had it in my driveway, from memory with 74,000kms on it, a HKS Super Drager cat back exhaust, HKS Air Filter, AVS Model 5 wheels and a Momo steering wheel...thats it. So, a service and 3 months of driving it around making sure it was a good thing and it was time to hit the track. Started out doing open days at Wakefield, MotoConcept days at Eastern Creek and then onto UAS days at Wakefield and MG Car Club days at Oran Park. Times sucked, as the car had std suspension and a hack driver. But it was great fun driving the thing like this for 18months. At which time a blown shock had me speaking to Whiteline. At the time they did not offer a kit for the R32 GTSt, so off my car went for a few weeks and what returned was some new bushes and swaybars. Big improvement to how it drove, but several weeks after that my car once again went back to have the new Bilsteins and springs installed. After that and the dramatic change in handling from standard, I started to more regularly attend Wakefield And Eastern Creek days. At this time EC times were about 2:02sec and Wakefield was about 1:15s. It was about this time that I learnt that the servicing of the car when doing track days needs to be at a lot more regular intervals, with a trip to Wakefield resulting me running out of pads. The beauty of a std car with no power was you could lap for 30mins at a time and just kill tyres and brakes. I didnt even have an intercooler or an oil cooler at this time. I had the std ECU with speed limiter, if the engine light came on i slowed down. So with no pads I killed my rotors so off to Race Brakes in Sydney to get the first kit the made for R32s, using the R33 GTR rotor spaced out with the std caliper. I thought it was shit hot at the time, and combined with rebuilt calipers, booster and master cylinder kept me going for about 6 years It was at this time that I finally got around to installing the HKS Type S front mount that I had bought from Toy Imports in Newcastle. Combined with the new brakes, some more practice and some new AVS Model 6 wheels that were 1" wider....i managed to get my times down to 1:13.1 at Wakefield and 1:56.8 at Eastern Creek on street tyres. My only run on semis resulted in blistered tyres as I learnt the expensive lesson of doing too many laps in a car with no camber = blistered outside shoulders and dead tyres on their first track day After that it was back to street tyres for me It was about this time I got sick of what must have been all of about 130rwkws from the std motor and ECU. At a day at Wakefield in 2003 I blew the turbo to manifold gasket whilst taking Doughboy for joy rides. Having to remove the turbo to replace the gasket meant I was tempted to replace the turbo. With Doughboy in my ear telling me how awesome TD06 setups were on SR20s, I resisted for as long as I could...telling him that HKS are better, because they are better, because they are ball bearing and just better. But, the man convinced me that just like real men wear trucker hats, real man run truck turbos. So a weekend of no sleep and Doughboy working days with no sleep, the lil R32 drove out a friends workshop with a full TD06 kit and remapped Jap ECU. Funds and time for cars were low for a while with work taking me OS and a move to Vic. Where I was quickly confronted with every bastard punting GTRs and no open-fun track days....just weekend warriors in their RB26s doing Super Sprints. So ... BEGIN the shit talk. Chasing a bit more response I installed a Power Fc and cam gears. A few hiccups with these mods meant that the std motor had a bent valve and a new wrecker motor went in. A trip to the drags saw it run a 12.9 at 113mph at only 1bar with a mis-fire that weeks later some Spitfire coil packs fixed So with the new turbo setup finally semi sorted, it was time to start to enjoy the car with its new found TD06 POWAH! But, because the Vic Track Gods are a pack of pricks who favour the GTR, my first trip to Winton in the car didnt end so well So with some help from GTR_Geoff, his tools, his garage space and his general support, we tinkered over weekends and got the girl running again After a few months of getting some confidence back in the car and getting everything going again came the introduction to Racepace, meaning that the car finally started to perform the way it should have been. Well at least the way Doughboy said the TD06 should Some trips to Sandown, PI and Winton all went without major incident. But some drift damage from Calder, the paint damage from the fire at Winton meant the once tidy little GSTt looked horrible with crinkled guard and blistered paint. So a friend helped strip the car and over time was good enough to give it a major clean up for me. The result was an awesome colour that looked mint, only I had ran out of money to pay for a proper new front bar. But anyway, I was entered for Dutton and the car was stickered up and performed pretty well for the bucket it is. Some small upgrades like ex HRT Jason Bright Momo race seat and AiM Data Logger were installed. Then with a bit more coaxing went back to Racepace and chased a bit more power having now got some reliable running and fun under my belt. With a bit more running was finally able to get days at PI and Sandown where it wasnt wet or the car was parked waiting for me to pull more funds together to bloody enjoy the bastard of a thing...and the result was a 1:23.1 at Sandown and a 1:52 flat at PI at the start of 2007... ...then for those c0ck sarking Vic track gods to again come and kick me in the balls....more to follow

They are a good upgrade, I ran the same setup for years with no problems. Just keep an eye on those DBA rotors if you are using them for heavy driving or track work as the slots on the outer circumference can act as stress concentrators and cause rotor cracking. But are fine for street duties

By the time you put a cage in the difference would be 9/10s of a bee's d1ck. I think your first decision is what sort of build are you going to pursue? Light weight or mid weight with gung ho power? To me light weight means sub 1000kgs. Is that what you are thinking? To get a Skyline under that weight you would be doing very well. May be easier to stick with around 1300kgs full loaded with driver and fluids and chase a bit more hp., say 450-500rwhp

If you are actually racing then do as much as you can to fit the regs. If its just a fun track car thn just get a GTR and punt the thing....or just re-shell your R33, i mean you can get a decent enough R33 that is registrered and 8k...3 weekends swapping over parts and you are back out there.... Thats my advice, because spending thousands of dollars building them and never driving them is a different type of fun...but its far better to be out there every 2nd weekend driving the thing at the track, rather then forever finishing the monster that you started but cant finish quckly

Will 9.5" +28 clear inner suspension arms etc on an R32? Interested as 9" +22 would have about the same guard clearance and 9" +22 fit my car....its the inner and susp clashing I am concerned about. I will be in Sydney between 7-10Aug, in Richmong and Camden areas....can you PM your location?