Daleo

I would imagine this would very much depend on the salespersons judgement of the individual. Never had any issues handing out a bit of punishment on a test drive; but I've always asked first.

I must've had 30 odd people at least come & look at this particular car before I got a sale. Had easily another 60 people ring about it, and then promise that they were coming to have a look; with probably 40-50 no-shows.. I developed a 6th sense for the ones that would never show. Which was basically everyone... It's the one car I wish I'd never sold; I kick myself about once a week. Seriously hard to come by now.

Lol, dealer bashing isn't really sport anyway... One of the test pilots for my 180B decided to drop a bit of a skid (he did ask first) and the car stalled as he stepped off the clutch at 6000rpm. "Errr, there's something wrong with the clutch, we'll have to negotiate"- Why don't you try again then? 7000rpm this time, a little chirp then stalled again; "Errr, see? I told you there's something wrong, how much you gonna take off the price?"- Um, Nothing. Extricated Captain Stupid from the harness, and swapped seats. Started the car, stepped off it at 7000rpm, slingshotted (well, relatively anyway) down the street, into second, still spinning hard, into third, a solid chirp. It helps if you select 1st gear instead of 3rd mate; I thought you said you could drive a manual? You guessed it; Dickhead.

I'd be willing to bet everyone has had a bad dealer experience, and it tends to sour people until they have a good experience. Anyone paid for "Paint Protection"? A VW dealer in Parramatta tried to charge my mum a fee ($50) to screw her numberplates on to her brand new Golf. I was with her when the Salesman tried this one on; would you like to guess where I told him to go? And this is a dealer that supposedly prides itself on their "Premium" service... Getting a little off topic now.

Sean, It sounds like you have a good employer who obviously sees the value of training staff, and can see the return on that investment. It's always amazed me the kind of dolts you see in car sales (or any kind of sales for that matter); you need to be quite intelligent, and VERY good at reading body language. The best sales people I've come into contact with don't actually appear to "sell" at all, they seem extremely adept at engaging their customer and informing them of what it is that the customer wants.

Interesting that so many guys have worked in Car sales. A couple of points. The average car salesman has no idea how to negotiate a deal properly either. They think because they're on the other side of the table; they're Donald f**king Trump. You work in a car yard pal, nothing more. I tried to buy a car from a salesman, and every time I asked what he could do for me, he would write it on a piece of paper and slide it over to me. WTF? I grabbed his pen and wrote "Talk to me or I'm leaving" and he just changed the numbers on the paper. TALK TO ME FARKIN! You're not selling a car to a piece of paper, you're selling to me. Most seem to think that because they're surrounded by cars everyday; they automatically know everything about cars. This is almost never true and frankly baffles me; I my job, I need to know EVERYTHING about all of the equipment I use; that's how I do my job well. These dopes mostly don't know their arses from their elbows. How can you GUARANTEE that a car won't sell privately? That's a stupid generalisation. It's also the fearmongering that salesmen use to beat down a trade-in. Just like the old "These aren't in demand right now", yeah; right. People trade in for convenience; not to make money, or the smart ones do. Generally they are trading a car with shit wrong with it anyway and don't want the agro. As for recondition & roadworthy; if the trade-in's a nugget that you didn't spot; you aren't going to "Recondition" it, you'll just wholesale it. If it's good, the yard might wash it, spray some greasy shite in the engine bay, and spray some skinky shit inside. Rego is a "value adder" come sale time. A friend's brother bought a brand Aston Martin convertible 6 months ago; he'd waited over 6 months for it to be delivered. When he arrived to pick it up, it was in an underground carpark, covered in dust. WTF? Once the "Salesman" brought his out into the light, he saw it was COVERED in scratches! A brand new $400,000+ Aston convertible with a 21 layer black paintjob with scratches before it had even left the dealership! I could not believe it when he told me. It had it's first paint correction before it was even delivered. they blamed the "detailer" Good salespeople are very few & far between in my experience, and it doesn't seem to matter how much money you are spending; they all seem to have the whiff of "Gary Blogg Used Cars" about them. The good ones must make a fortune, because the bad ones are soooo bad. This is not a criticism of you in particular Sean, just observations of a generally poor industry.

With this scenario, I've heard of people being refused market value insurance based on artificially low receipt values given to the RTA at transfer. Seems like a bit of a risk to save a negligible amount on stamp duty, and then not be able to insure for full value; although it could also be argued that if you get a bargain, that's your good luck, not the RTA's or your prospective insurer.

When I was selling my Crummydore ute, I told the prospective buyer my asking price; he then offered me a thousand dollars MORE than my price. Being the flexible, accommodating individual I am; I accepted. This is of course balanced by the same individual ringing me over a year later, to inform me that the exhaust had fallen off the car. He wanted to know what I planned to do about it. Over 40,000km of driving on dirt roads doing mine surveys in a lowered Commodore ute with 18" wheels. I told him to take it to a particular exhaust place in my area, and get them to repair it (I had no prior arrangement with them, nor had I ever even been there). Then I told him to tell them I was paying, and to just drive the car away. I have no idea how this ended, but I never got another phone call. Dickhead.

4 years ago you started dealing with people born in the 90's. Nuff said.

Dammit; I got ripped hard!

I'd reckon that's a pretty sensible figure, but the C34 experts will be the ones who know for sure.

Bikes, however; are another matter. Every bike I've sold, has been to the first person to look, and for the price I've asked. Usually on the first day.

Sight unseen on the Pulsar; "I'll give you 2 grand for it" - Well, it's advertised for $8000 and you haven't even looked at it, so I'm going with no. "2 grand CASH" - Oh well that changes everything; yeah, definitely and I'll throw in my new Commodore Ute too! "Really?" No dickhead. Dickheads.

Or an ET Turbo Pulsar I was selling; "Will you just sell me the turbo?" Yep; $8000, comes with a car wrapped around it. "But I don't want the car, just the turbo" Well maybe you should looking in the "wrecking" section, not the "Cars for sale" section... "You're a dickhead mate!" Yes, yes; I'm the dickhead.... Dickheads...

On the same car, "Can my mate take it for a drive for a couple of hours (without you); that way we can work out if it's any good?" For sure; pay full price, and you never have to bring it back. Maybe you'd like my credit cards too? Dickheads.

Even though both were clearly printed in the Trading Post ad for my 180B SSS; "Errr, I don't like the colour" (A $4000 Gunmetal Grey paintjob) Well don't buy it. "So you won't reduce the price?" No. "Errr, I didn't know it had a Rollcage" Well, I told you over the phone when you specifically asked about it. "Will you take it out?" Well, it's a 6 point CrMo weld in cage, so; no. "Errr it's a bit noisy" Well that's because it has a 2.4 litre stoker L20 motor in it. "You mean it's modified? I wanted to buy a stock one". Get out. Now.

Didn't Alex discover that the PNM35 fans switched on very late (98 deg), and was able to lower the switch point to around 88-90 deg with his Uprev? I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't a similar issue; along with improper bleeding.

And 27 posts in; this is what you have to offer. Parents must've dropped you on your head a lot. You won't find out how many times until you go bald.

Lol, it's pretty funny actually...

Spotted 180fan (Brian) again today, Upper Mountains, didn't wave as I was on my bike with some mates. Also Spotted a stock Silver M35 in Woodford on the GWH, LPG sticker on the numberplate.

Time for a "Little known facts about Renault/Nissan" thread.

After another look at the fault code listing, mine is actually; P1705 Throttle Position Sensor Circuit A/T This could also explain why mine didn't want to kick down, or unlock the converter with a small throttle input. I might be looking elsewhere...

And there all like, "That Feugo; is it turbocharged?" "Damn right, it's turbocharged. I could boost it; but I'd have to charge"

I have just had this happen on mine too, throttle hasn't failed, but response is really lazy below 3000 rpm, with basically no boost. I actually thought it might've been a camshaft position sensor. Reset once, was fine for a couple of days, then lazy again. Reset, but noted the code, which was 1705; throttle body. I'm running cruise control also, but I have been for well over a year now with no issue. I don't think that's the issue. Going to have a poke around tomorrow, check plug & pins are clean & plugged in; but I would think the next step is a spare known tb to see whether it returns. I'd be interested to hear what you come up with Ryan.

That's what I heard too.