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lets have a think how many F1 races did McLaren win in the 50's, early 60's oh thats right they were not even in F1 yet

Yeah 88 was a great year-especially with that amazing non McLaren engine in the back

Lets have another think how many races McLaren won with their own engine in the car???.......ah thats right the 'mighty engineering genious' Mclaren dont have their ownb engine-they go to Ilmor for them(no come backs about who owns what-its not called a McLaren engine, its a Merc)

Yeah, the non McLaren engine in the back. Next to the non McLaren wheels, tyres, brakes, radiators, seat, steering wheel, fuel, oil, bearings, springs, dampers......

The Honda motor was arguably, relative to it's peers, the finest grand prix engine ever made. Accusation of favouritism have always been part of F1. Lotus once complained to Honda (In 88 if I remember) & where told to go & pick and engine from out of the truck - as they were all the same.

By your way of thinking there are only four legitimate teams in F1 (Does BMW Sauber count?) & teams like Lotus, Brabham & Tyrrell have no place in the record books. What the hell, let's re-start the FISA/FOCA wars from the early eighties. >_<

Not that it matters, but what would you call the bespoke TAG motor that powered the McLaren from 84 to 87? Built to John Barnard's exacting spec & used solely in the McLaren. Paid for by McLaren's TAG sponsor.

Atleast Ferrari never had to engage third parties to sort their motors out. Best we don't mention the name Osamu Goto then. :)

Part of what makes F1 so good is the treasure trove of history that can be used to support any and every argument. Not everyone will agree on which team is better (& why should they), but that doesn't make the argument less enjoyable.

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This is the best footage from the start of a race i've ever seen...

Hungary - Start Of Race Onboard

You basically ride onboard with Alonso for the first 3 laps of the last race in Hungary and watch him take 11 cars in the rain. The balance and control he has of the car is magnificent. I never really liked Alonso, and the fact that he was coming to Mclaren made me dislike that even more... until i watched this

OK, i have been doing some homework tryign to understand what is going on in the heads of Webber anf Flav. I still say Williams are not looking to bad for next year, provided their drivers can get out of the car what Webber is able to.

The other reason im starting to like the idea, its much liek the Williams thing. If Webber wins a race then its more deserving then if he was called up for the next race at Renault and is behind the wheel of the best car which he has had nothing to do with developing. He gets the cudos if he wins with RBR. And his team mate will help out of sight with the car.

But, back to RBR. The past 12 months have seen the signing of the following ppl, so have a read and see if you still think the move is a bad one. Im thinking it could be a stroke of genius if he gives it 2 years.

Adrian Newey (ex Mclaren/Williams)

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Who knows, perhaps Flav knows something that we dont about Renault and there is something to the Alonso signing early with McLaren ?????

I heard that RBR were trying to arrange for Renault engines for 2007. The problem is the ongoing contract with Ferrari for engine supply. I understand that they are trying to shift that to Torro Rosso to replace the Cosworth V10. Since Flavio knows what is going on at Renault and is Webber’s manager, I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the plan.

I like the look of Weber in an Adrian Newey designed chassis with Renault engines.

:) cheers :)

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I heard that RBR were trying to arrange for Renault engines for 2007. The problem is the ongoing contract with Ferrari for engine supply. I understand that they are trying to shift that to Torro Rosso to replace the Cosworth V10. Since Flavio knows what is going on at Renault and is Webber’s manager, I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the plan.

Presumably RBR want to shift this years engine/chassis over to Torro Rosso much as they did with last years car. It would be harder to do so with an engine change. According to John Todt it ain't going to happen & RBR are stuck with Ferrari engines next year.

I like the look of Weber in an Adrian Newey designed chassis with Renault engines.

So do I. You reckon Flava-Flav could get Newey & Webber signed with Renault? :)

Doornbos tries F1 car on Dutch highway

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This morning Robert Doornbos became the first person ever to drive a Formula 1 car on the Dutch highway. In a totally secret showcase the Red Bull driver raced at speeds of up to 326km/h on the A7 in the North of Holland.

At 10.32am the little town called Den Oever woke up to the sound of a Formula One engine. The A7 highway was closed for the occasion just long enough that Doornbos could complete two runs of the street circuit.

Doornbos said about his outing at the highway: "Wow, that was amazing! Of course I have driven here a thousand times with my car but this is much more exciting! I want to thank everyone at Red Bull for this great opportunity!"

Why doesnt shit like this happen over here more often... Webber did the harbour bridge, i wnant to see kimi flying down the Monash

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I used to like paul tracy a lot. He was fast, tough and dindt take shit from anyone... but lately hes turned into a real prick.

This was a couple weeks ago, most people saw this on the news..

Tagliani vs Tracy San Jose 2006

Now he's gone and done this...

No doubt Sports Tonight and RPM will milk this for a while, but its pretty sad stuff. Montoya should have gone back to champ car imo. I would love to see how he would deal with all this.

Tracy is a TOOL, Typical American.........

Ahhhh............Canadian....and thats not the same...Tracy is just a tool...nothing to do with what country he is from.

Saying a Canadian is the same as a yank is like sayin an aussie is the same as a Kiwi and we know how upset this can make some peeps :(

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